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How you can win your school appeal

I wrote this article a long time ago, but its message is actually the same as then, even though so much has changed about education since then! Meet the criteria! Show the appeal panel that your preferred school uniquely meets your child’s needs, and the trouble incurred by the school is less than the trouble incurred upon your child by NOT going to your preferred school.

The Government’s announcement this week that parents who have not got their child into their first-choice school should appeal promises to cause mayhem in educational establishments throughout the country.

I should know, because I teach in a top-achieving comprehensive in outer London. In the past, parents angry that their child has failed to gain a place have phoned sobbing, shouted abuse at staff and, in one extreme case, staggered around drunk on the premises raging against the “injustice” of the system.

During the research for my book Parent Power — The Parents’ Guide to Getting the Best Education for Your Child, I spoke to a number of parents whose children had been rejected by popular schools. They all told me about their bitter disappointment. Most of them felt that their child’s life would be harmed if he or she attended the school they had been offered. Many of them followed the Government’s current advice and appealed against the decision.

Then their fun really began. Mounting a “school appeal” is a time-consuming and nerve-racking business. Furthermore, contrary to government propaganda, statistics show that it is often unproductive: roughly one fifth of appeals do not succeed. This is largely because many parents mount emotional appeals that their child needs a place because he likes the look of one school over another, or because his best friend goes to the school, or because he is too clever to go to a poorer-performing school.


These reasons will never succeed because they are not based on what are known as a school’s “admissions criteria”, the rules by which it chooses its pupils. If a parent’s appeal is going to succeed, he or she must prove that the school did not apply its admissions criteria correctly or that the problems faced by the child in going to another school outweigh the trouble for the school in admitting the child.
A third of completed applications are faulty: forms are not filled in fully, vital questions are incorrectly answered, crucial evidence is not provided. The net result may be that a child is not offered a place simply because bamboozled parents have not mastered the bureaucracy of the process.
It is crucial to read the guidance issued by the school to the letter: one tiny slip-up can mean rejection.

Usually, the school or local authority website provides all the relevant details.
Above all, your appeal will need to show that your child does indeed meet the school’s admissions criteria. I have known parents measure the distance between the school and their home with rulers to show that they do indeed live within the catchment area. Other parents trying to get their child into faith-based schools pester their religious leaders for detailed references, in some cases attempting to butter them up with “donations”. In one case, a parent actually pretended to be a pastor in order to get his child into a Christian school.

My advice is always to be honest but put absolutely everything you can think of into your appeal. This could mean showing that your child has aptitude in the school’s “specialisms”, such as drama or sports, or that your child would benefit immeasurably from the unique curriculum the school offers, or that he has special educational needs that can only be catered for at your preferred school. With religious schools some are vague, just asking for evidence that you are practising in that faith. Others are much more hard-nosed, demanding proof of regular church attendance for at least two years. Appeals are not adjudicated by the school or local education authority, but independent “lay” people, usually drawn from the local community. They will consider all parents’ points, including those not part of the school’s admissions criteria. If there are “special considerations” you will need to spell them out fully. I have known of parents who have confessed at appeal meetings that they are ill or disabled, which means their child needs to go a school which is easily accessible by train or bus but not necessarily the closest school, and have succeeded with their appeal. The panel has the power to ignore a school’s admissions criteria.

However, parents do have to bear in mind that they are the biggest single influence upon a child’s results and happiness. A huge amount of systematic and reliable research has shown that children will do well at more or less any school if they are supported positively by their parents. 

229 responses to “How you can win your school appeal”


  1. Will a financial situation be taken into consideration at an appeal?

    For instance we live 15 miles from our first choice of school, so we are out of the catchment area and even in a different council zone. My parents and my partners parents live within 2 minutes of the school and we rely heavily on them for child care. My son currently goes to the pre-school.

    There is a school at the end of our road where we live, but if my son goes to that school we would have to employ a child minder in the mornings before school and after school until my partner gets home from work.

    We can’t afford to employ a child minder, which in turn would require my partner to reduce her working hours, which would mean a salary decrease, which would mean we couldn’t afford our mortgage.

    We do plan on moving to the immediate area of our first choice of school within the very near future.

    What are your views on this?

    Thanks in advance.

    Vaughn Winn

  2. Yes, it could be relevant. Remember you have to prove that the trouble suffered by your child outweighs the trouble incurred by the school for admitting him. So this in addition to other points may be a factor. Looking into WHY the school uniquely meets the needs of your child will help too. So look into any policies/curricula that are different from the other schools available and point how/why they meet your child’s needs. Also, look very carefully at the Admission Criteria. Do you actually meet it all? If not, you won’t win the appeal. Provide as much documentary evidence as you can that you meet the Admissions Criteria and by law they have to admit your child. If it is catchment area school, then you might be stuck. The Advisory Centre for Education are great on this stuff: http://www.ace-ed.org.uk/

    francisgilbert

  3. my daughter is currently at nursery and due to start nursery in january. I have been refused all three of my choices.
    My daughter is currently getting alot of support at nursery with support staff and the special inclusions team. she struggles in social situations and is highly sensitive to change. I have read the OFSTED report for the school he has been allocated and it is performing poorly. last year there was a 50% staff turn over and it states that classes are often disrupted.
    The police have put me and my daughter as high risk victims and are currently working with a domestic violence organisation to keep us safe from my daughters dad. the school allocated is where family members of my daughters dad goes – so i cannot send her there for safety reasons.
    the school i am appealing has reached the 30 max with is the law for primary schools. on the gov website it states only in exceptional circumstances would an appeal be won. do you think i have any chance?

    sarah lewis

  4. another child in my sons school has got a place in out 1st choice he has not made his holy communion with the rest of the class and has suddenly produced a baptismal certificate from zimbarbwae my son did not get into this school although we regulary attend church where he serves as an alter server. The criteria is catholic can i argue that a catholic is someone that practises this faith


  5. I have recently moved house. However due to the time it took, I was only in a position to apply in June 2010. I applied for both daughters to attend school at the new location. My older daughter got into our school of choice in sixth form (AS year). My younger daughter was however declined a place for year 7 in all 3 local schools and we lost the appeals as well. As background: –

    1) We are in the catchment area of our first choice school . I.e. less than 1/2 mile
    2) Our elder daughter is attending this first choice school
    3) The council offered the younger daughter a school 5 miles away
    4) There is no direct bus service from nearby our home to school. The nearest bus stop is nearly 1.5 miles away. There are no other children attending this school in our area who she can walk with. It was suggested at the appeal that she could walk to this bus stop
    5) The school is a science specialist school and our daughter is keen on science and got level 5 in both science, maths at year 6 SATS and also English
    6) We are needing to drive to and from school and we are finding it difficult. We are also not able to let her attend after school events.

    Would you have any advice as to how we proceed?

    Dilip Sharan

  6. The best thing to do is to call the Advisory Centre for Education, http://www.ace-ed.org.uk/

    francisgilbert

  7. i have a huge problem this year
    my son is at nusery at the moment and i have applied for him to go to the reception class of this same school however my application was 1 day late due to my mother who lives 250 miles away has cancer and i was her main carer for 5 months which ment i was at home mon and tues to attend work then i would travel to stay with my mother for the other days and return home late on the sunday night to start all over again.Apparently this is not classed as extreme circumstance even though my whole life and childrens lives were turned upside down.
    i live 500 mtrs away from my local school which i have been refused and offered a school 3 miles away.
    for me to accept this school would mean givng up my job as i have no family to help out with school runs i know no one in the area of this school i do not drive (25 min bus route) and can not afford childcare.
    i feel the only option i am left with is to home school which i am not keen on and dont have the knowlage myself to do this, also where will this leave my child on a social level?
    any advice would be much appreciated.

    a howells

  8. Can I suggest you contact the Advisory Centre for Education, http://www.ace-ed.org.uk/, who are set up to deal with these sort of inquiries.
    General advice line:
    0808 800 5793

    francisgilbert

  9. HI , IM CURRENTLY HAVING TO GO TO APPEAL FOR MY DAUGHTER WHO HAS BEEN RUFUSED ENTRY TO HER PREFERRED CATHOLIC SCHOOL OF CHOICE AS I HAD SENT HER ADMISSION FORM IN LATE, AS I HAD A PROBLEM GETTING HOLD OF ONE , MY FORM WAS RECEIVED IN FEB AND THE GOVORNORS MET IN JAN TO ASSESS ALL ADMISSIONS I NEED SOME ADVICE ON HOW TO WIN MY APPEAL AS I FEEL MY DAUGHTER NEEDS TO ATTEND THIS SCHOOL AS SHE MEETS ALL CRITERIA THEY ASK FOR ,SHE HAS A SISTER IN THE SCHOOL ALREADY SHE ATTENDS A FEEDER SCHOOL AT PRESENT AND I FEEL SHE SHOULD NOT BE PUNISHED FOR ME AS IT WAS MY FAULT THE FORM WAS LATE PLEASE HELP.

    MRS SUE ELEY

  10. I have been trying to contact the advise centre for two days now and I keep on getting a message that their lines are busy and I need to call them back. How am I supposed to get their advice as I can’t get through to them at all. My daughter was not accepted in any of our six choices of schools and although she is attending the nursery in the Catholic school we’ve applied for, she didn’t get in and most of the kids in her group got in the school. We’re Christian Orthodox and of course we’re further down in the admissions criteria list, but I know so many children attending the school that are not catholic and we still didn’t have a chance to get in. We’ve been given a place in the nearest community school, which after visiting tonight, just made us even more disappointed, as we didn’t like the school at all, although they’re expanding now and got funds from the council, but still for sure they’re not improving at all. We’re both working full time and the offered school doesn’t have even an after school or breakfast club. So do you think that if we appeaal, we have a chance to win. I have read that this year there is a baby boom and so many children have been left without places and our council is one of the worse places in regards with that.
    Please help.

    Daniela Slaveva

  11. This article is now out of date in that the helpline I believe is not fully staffed because there are issues over funding. I am sorry to hear about your problems. Your Local Authority is legally bound to help you over this; I strongly contacting them as a matter of urgency

    francisgilbert

  12. Hi,

    My daughter has been refused a Reception place at the catholic school where she is currently attending Nursery. I have an elder daughter who has been attending the school for 4 years ( I do live in the catchment area) I missed the midnight deadline and submitted my application 10 hours late (due to my own poor health) I am awaiting an appeal date, I feel the school were unreasonable as they were unwilling to listen to my explanatiion for being late and put my form at the bottom of 80 applications (there were 30 places available)
    Can anyone give me any advice?

    Much appreciated

    Mrs K

    kathryn wright

  13. Yes, appeal, as you have done, and make sure you raise these issues and that you MEET the criteria for getting into the nursery. That’s the crucial point.

    francisgilbert

  14. my son has been refused for catholic school (2 minutes walk from us) reception class, but he was offered place at school where his nursery now/ We are christian Orthodox and I want him to grow in faith. For me is it end of wolrd and I will have appeal hearing in 1 month time/ I do not what to say on appeal but if they will refuse me I feel like I will faint or die/ I am also 8 months pregnant and it is very big stress for me. Do you know who can help me with this matter. Thank you. Other schools in my area (the nearest is 20 minutes walk) are very bad/ I also take my kid to protestant church every sunday, but all my forms have been signed by our Orthidox Priest, who baptised my son. Should I ask letter from protestant church as well now for appeal day? Please help

    Marina

  15. my daughter missed getting into her school of preference due to admissions criteria coming down to randomised alphabet selecting them based on their surname. the principal informed me they stopped at the letter before my daughters surname, do i have grounds to appeal on the basis of human error ? i can say how she would be disadvantaged by not going to the preferred school but not sure how i can link it to criteria
    thanks


  16. Yes, getting as many references as possible should help you.

    francisgilbert

  17. Yes, appeal on the grounds stated above, also make sure you have said HOW you meet the criteria. Ie if preferential treatment is given to children with special needs, and your child is proven to have special needs, say this etc…

    francisgilbert

  18. My daughter has been refused a place at a school 2 minutes walk away where my other daughter is in class 2! Apparently we are one house out of catchment even though we are the last house on the road and live nearer than most of the other children who attend! I have worked at the school since May 2010, I organise the walking bus, did my college placement here, and help with every event. 18 siblings have got a place, my daughter is the only one who hasn’t as catchment comes before siblings. 15 of her friends from nursery are going too. She has been given a place at a school 2.2 miles away! We are devastated! She cannot understand why she can’t go to her sister and friends school. Any suggestions how I can win our appeal?

    Helen Prosser

  19. I am assuming that the main criteria is distance to the school? If it is, then you’ll need to appeal on the basis of other criteria, and make a special case that only the school nearest to you can meet the child’s educational needs. IE, get a doctor/counsellor/relevant note that the travel would unduly stress your child and inhibit their learning etc. That’s how you’ll have to frame it; it’s all about meeting the criteria and showing how this school can UNIQUELY meet your child’s needs. Eg, not being with their sibling could psychologically inhibit their learning etc…

    francisgilbert

  20. My son had behaviour problems at his infant school he was sent to a special unit in another school, he has had an ed psych and is under a pediatrician and getting councelling each week. At various meetings the experts involved in helping him thought the open plan design of the school was making his difficulties worse as he gets upset at high noise levels. I was ad used by the social Inclusion team and tea hers to look for another school for him that could meet his needs as the unit he attends is not a long term solution. I chose a school that was smaller had traditional walled classrooms and SEN staff trained to deal with his behaviour problems. I am a single mum so I had no choice but to move my other children my son has a place in year 2 my daughter has started in year 5 but my youngest does not have a reception place. I have an appeal hearing next week do you think I have any chance the school are saying they are full. I have had support from CAMHs who have written a letter to the appeal to say that seperating my youngest from her siblings is detremental to her and the strain of getting to schools on my own adds stress to our family, could I win an appeal on these grounds?
    Any advice would be much appreciated.


  21. Hi, I’m move from portsmouth to Newcastle and both my children have been turned down because there is no places available at the local schools so I am going to appeal it due to myself having mental health problems ( social anxiety disorder and OCD) . When I spoke to the infant school I was told even if I went to appeal for medical reasons it would get turned down as the maximum they are allowed is 30 children so I should look at other schools for him as I won’t win the appeal.
    I’m getting a letter off my doctor and I have a history of mental health going back over 4 years , is the school right that I have no chance of winning and is there anything else I can do to make sure I win?


  22. I can understand why the school said this, but an independent lay panel will judge your appeal, and they have to weigh up: does the trouble suffered by the school outweigh your trouble if your children go elsewhere? In your appeal, you MUST explain why your mental health issues impact upon your children, ie you are unable to make sure that they are punctual to a school further away because your OCD means you find it impossible to meet tight deadlines, or your issues mean you find attending parents’ evenings very difficult if the school is far away. Explain that your children will suffer from your panic and worry etc. Definitely appeal; I think an independent lay panel need to hear your case. It’s their decision in an appeal NOT the school’s. The school will argue the case they’ve stated to you, but you need to really show your children’s education will seriously be harmed if you go further away. Good luck.

    francisgilbert

  23. hi

    Because of moved into new area i applied for my daughter primary school late. I didn’t offered of my any 6 choice of school and my daughter had been given school which is 20 mins walk from my place. I was happy that still i got my daughter in school. But soon after a month i become pregnant and also i have 1 year old son. Now i am 6 months pregnant and i am having problem to take my daughter school. I have Medical reason Doctor advise me and give me letter I have a thyroids and i get tired if walk more then 10 mins.

    I have appealed and i have hearing in 2 weeks time. I submit appeal on Medical ground. The school which i appeal for is very close to my home, it just 1 min walk on the same street.

    Can you please tell me what are my chances to get this and what more strong point i will give in hearing to win the case.

    salma Begum

  24. Hi my son who is 4 has panic attacks we live in an area we have no family or friends. He started a nursery a year ago of which 10 children he knows and 2 really close with will attend this school we are out of the parish area not by much 300 meters. the school is 2miles away no turns just one long road. the two closest schools have 60 children per class he could not cope in this enviroment. he has been coping well because of these two friends his nervous ticks have stopped amongst other things and he attends the pre-school and is already attached to the school.

    I am going to talk to the doctor again tomorrow who im sure will support my appliction with a letter as he knows my son well i know if he attends a school without his support network sent to a total ramdom strange lonely place his problems will magnify emensly I beliveve if he attends our first choice on medical /social ground all this nervous panic could be gone forever.

    I spoke to our local LEA and she said that panic attacks can be delt with at any school I dont really know what chances a supporting letter will have any advice please as I am desperate for advice.


  25. You need to look carefully at your preferred school’s policies for dealing with children with anxiety, and see if they have any approaches, policies, etc that UNIQUELY address the needs of anxious parents. Do appeal, but when you do you have to uniquely show that the trouble incurred by your preferred school in taking your son is LESS THAN the trouble you’ll have if he doesn’t go there. You should look carefully at the admissions’ criteria of the school of your choice, and see if you meet that criteria. You should ask for an assessment for Special Educational Needs for your son, because most schools favour students with SEN in their admissions’ criteria.

    francisgilbert

  26. Hi there a bit of advice please. My son is very academic in Maths/Literacy/IT and we applied to three schools the first two academies and final a church school. We did not choose our closest school for numerous reasons (Art/Music Academy) including my son was bullied at our school and he has been separated from the perpetrators since Yr4 and the incidents are on record. These children we knew would be going to the local school so we chose not to subject our son to anymore abuse and lack of confidence which he as suffered for the past 3years. We know he ranked high in the stanines from the cognatitive test but this went against him as a greater percentage is taken from middle bands. All his friends he feels safe with achieved places at the school best suited for his ability and out of our sons year only he did not get any offers only the local school. I am a parent governor at my sons school and am so disappointed with the outcome and process……..help?


  27. Hi, I am a single dad, my oldest daughter has just finished school her younger sister is still at the same school in her third year, the school is 2 minute walk from our house, I applied 5 days late to get my youngest in for this coming September but have been offered a school 15 mins walk through an in light underpass to get to the station to catch a bus 10 miles to another town where she has no friends knows no body, I have appealed and waiting the decision, I work full time and given the nature of my job could not attend the school they have offered for meeting/ if my daughter was sick ect as where I have friends that could if she were local, also the travel cost I could not meet, any advice very welcome as I’m at wits end

    Lionel mills

  28. my son has been bullied both verbally and physically in his current school…….by girls!!! the school have dealt with these girls buit it got to the case where my son was pretending to be ill, fall off his bike or any other excuse not to go!
    i want him moved to a school, that was his first choice in year 7 ( he is in year 8 now) but this school is full!
    i have an apeal in a couple of weeks and want to put my case to them. can you help?


  29. my son has been refused a place at his feeder school, he’s suffered a lot of emotional issue which have clearly effected his learning progress the school he is in now has him on a iep, his social peers have been the only constant in his life and have given him much needed support over the last 7 year’s, his behaviour has never been bad so never really thought I needed medical help as it’s only been educational, when he found out he hadn’t got in to his choosen school he was distraught, I think this move no matter the support from me will affect his education in a huge way along with him emotionally, what can I do to win my appeal.

    Emily Budd

  30. Hi, My son is 14 and currently in our catchment school. However he is a keen sports person and another High School in the area offer great sports facilities. He was turned down for the Duke of Edinburgh Scheme due t his form not being handed in and there being only a limited amount of places? (He was off sick). He is very upset with the school and often comes home very upset. He has been asking me to put his name on the waiting list at the other school and finally relented in January this year having found him very upset saying he doesn’t want to go to school. Originally he was 2nd on the list and then became 1st. We rang the other school and asked if we could visit. The head of year told us to come the following day, they were expecting a place to become vacant due to a student moving. We went for the visit and then spoke to the head of year about all his subjects and options. Half term came next and we awaited eagerly for the news that he had been accepted. I rang our local county council who confirmed there was a place now available and we should hear something soon. The same afternoon I noticed a missed call from the high school. I was ecstatic and rang back immediately only to be told that they had been advised the place had been given to a young girl who was in foster care. My son was so distraught but said he had heard another place had become available due to a boy being expelled. On ringing the school they said they would look into things but even if he had been expelled he would remain on the books. I took this information to county and said I wanted to put in an appeal. I was told to sit tight and that they would look into the situation and that the school was going to become an Acaedemy and this would allow them to make their own decision. However the new status does not apply until July this year and the decision came back saying there were no places available. I then requested that my original request of an appeal be lodged. My son wants to do well at school, he wants do the Duke of Edinburgh and has already arranged for a work experience placement, he wants to move forward with his dreams of becoming a Rugby professional and has already looked at Colleges to enable him to do this. However he comes home from school very sullen and upset. He has even suggested that we move in with my sister who is in the catchment area just in case he loses out on not being the first on the waiting list. It is very distressful for any mother seeing their child so upset. How do I move this forward…..please?

    Mrs Lammas

  31. Our daughter had been refused all 3 of our chosen catholic primary schools, and been offered a place at a non catholic school slightly further away. The catholic schools are 0.9, 1.0 and 1.1 mile away. We are a devoted catholic family and it is very important to us that our daughter receive a catholic education. Do we have strong grounds to appeal this decision?


  32. Hello, my Daughter was not offered a place at one of the schools that were my preference, even though we are within the catchment area. However she was offered a place at a Catholic primary school (which isn’t very good, and that I did not put down as an option). She is not Catholic and will not be raised in any religion. I have declined the offer, and will appeal. Can I argue that I do not want my Daughter to go to a religious school?. For example I cannot imagine they would place a child who is Muslim or Jewish in a Catholic school, so why should my child because she has no religion have to go to a school where they worship God, pray and attend church regularly. If you have any advice it would be much appreciated. Thank you.

    Samantha.

  33. My nephew Antony has been refused a place at the school he has been attending for foundation stage 1. His brother Jacob attends the school and is being tested for autism among other problems. Jacob (the older one) is very sensitive, lacks social skills greatly and takes so badly to change. The school was specially picked because of its size and reputation for good practice with SEN, there isn’t one in the area like it, there is no where else. I am a single mum and couldn’t take them to separate schools, hence I cant be in two places at once. The school is full for Antony’s year and the local authority have offered them both places at an alternative school but having known this before its not suitable. If it was last year Antony would have got in and they have told me that there are at least another 5 parents appealing for the same. Is there anything that i can go on?

    Meranda Russell

  34. hi mine is a difficult one my 4 yr old has been attending a nursery literally a 5 minutes walk from where we live. I have had her registered for it since birth to go there and they usually start the sept after there 3rd birthday so this should have been sept 2012 but they rang me the same week as her 3rd birthday feb 2012 and said a morning place has become available. she started that week and loves it. she has now been there 14mnths and obviously come sept will be 21 months. is one of the oldest in her class and been there the longest has come on leaps and bounds as shes a pretty shy kid made loads of friends and loves the school . I always asked if I was in catchment area no one seemed to quite know where it finished somewhere near me but never quite new. I looked online and could never find it. I have never been told at any point im not in there catchment area. when It come to making choices I put the school as 1st as I also have another daughter that has just turned 3 and also have her registered from birth to start any day now when the next place comes available. I then find out my eldest daughter didn’t get in and we have our 3rd choice which I put only because we where told to put three or be allocated anywhere. I at least thought I would get my 2nd choice. now im in a situation as I have contacted the admissions dept and they have said we live out of the catchment area by literally couple foot steps away. we are devastated and shes been in tears when I have approached the subject as have I as I feel like im breaking my daughters heart. what happened to last in first out policy…I also am waiting to here for my youngest starting and now darn’t do that as then I may have to pull 2 upset kids out what do I do?

    I have been told its also due to school been over subscribed and that there is 30 places and 38 applied for 1st place if the other 8 appeal then there is waiting list of 8 all together and my little one is 5th on the list so even if 5 kids left :/ then another kid could still move into the ‘catchment area’ and take the place over her even though they have never attended the school and she will have been there 21 months. How is this fair.
    there has also been a womens refuge centre opened up around the corner from the school that’s in the ;catchment area’ and has kids coming and going all the time as they move in and out of the area but get priority over my child this really isn’t on.
    I work and we have a mortgage I cant do what some of them do and choose to move to suit my needs or put other family members address down to make sure my child gets in…. I also have my mum who looks after the kids 2-3 days a week when im at work. a 5 minute walk down the road was bad enough but she would have to walk 30 minutes away there and back 3 times a day and that would be if the smallest of the 2 can even get a nursery place at new school now as not registered. she is 62 in ill health and doesn’t drive cant walk far what do I do. I also suffer with back issues since childbirth and use to be a keen runner and had to give this up as I can barley walk to the school they are at now. this is noted in my medical records.

    so now I al stuck between a rock and a hard place. do I pull her out now and start them both together or do I have a chance with an appeal even though the school is full. the school has just gone to academy status on 1st april also.

    if I stayed on waiting list till a place comes up can I do this and hope its before shes 5 and keep her at home or what are my options I have seen about deferring the offer or something on other forums?

    the other school is a good school but with me and my husband working its not possible to get them there when one would be full time and other half days (if gets in) ?

    sorry for ranting thanks


  35. The key thing to do is prove that your daughter’s needs to go to the school OUTWEIGH the school’s difficulties with taking her on. Look at the school’s policies and try and match how/why these policies are UNIQUE to this school and MEET your child’s needs. Keep on the waiting list. Try not to worry too much. Also do contact your LA about this and ask for more advice, which you’re entitled to. Good luck!

    francisgilbert

  36. Go with exactly what you’ve said here, how and WHY the SEN provision UNIQUELY meets the needs of your child. Good luck!

    francisgilbert

  37. This is an interesting one. The main thing is not to be negative about the other school, but POSITIVE about your preferred one, and show how this school with its POLICIES (have a look at them) UNIQUELY meets the needs of your child. You must meet the admissions’ criteria of the school if you don’t, you won’t get in. Your LA should have an advice line about this, or someone to help you more. Please contact them if you haven’t already.

    francisgilbert

  38. Remember to show that you meet the criteria of your preferred school, and show how your preferred UNIQUELY meets the needs of your child compared with other schools. Look at their policies etc.

    francisgilbert

  39. Remember to show that you MEET the admissions’ criteria of your preferred school, and that the school is unique in the way it meets the unique learning needs of your child.

    francisgilbert

  40. Show how your preferred school uniquely meets the needs of your child through its position, its policies and ethos. Good luck!

    francisgilbert

  41. You must show how your preferred school UNIQUELY meets the needs of your child through its policies, ethos and approach. You also must MEET its admissions’ criteria. Good luck!

    francisgilbert

  42. My daughter was refused all 5 of her places and has now been offered a place at a Church of England school which is 95
    % white British students , we are Indian I’m sikh faith & are not happy with this – I checked with the school and they have NO Indian pupils in the entire school! I am really shocked the school was offered to us plus it is very far to get to & I am a full time working mum the breakfast club & afterschool club activities are choir practise & football which are not suitable for us and the times do not suit my work? Is there good ground for appeal that I am not happy with my child being the only Indian student In the whole school? Thank you


  43. There are equal opportunities issues here. You are entitled to ask the school what provision they will meet given the unique needs of your child. Do you meet the admissions criteria of your preferred school? You really should contact your LA, they are obliged by law to help you with any issues you may have.

    francisgilbert

  44. Yes I met all the admission criteria, for the schools i listed. I have visited the school I have been offered and was told my daughter has to take part In Assembly & prayers. The LA has told me to to appeal but I feel this issue is quite serious, not just a simple matter of I do t like the school .


  45. Hi,

    My son is currently in the nursery class of our first choice school However, we have been refused a place in reception year due to us not being catholic, and our son is the only one not to be offered a place. We are Hindu and religion forms a very important part of our lives hence why we wanted our son to attend a faith based school so he too could learn and understand the importance of faith. He would also be the only Asian in the school, which does not worry me but I feel we are being discriminated because of this. Also one of the parents of a children in the nursery knew of our situation and in front of all the other parents, asked my wife if we were the ones who were refused. Which I find disgusting, especially as my wife is quite upset about the situation. I am lead to believe the offer of a place is confidential, and I have come to know the parent is very close to one of the School Governors. Also, if we accepted our second choice place, my wife would need to change her working hours, and we’d also need to increase our childcare costs, which in turn would affect our financial situation. What grounds would I have for appeal?

    Mr Mishra

  46. Hi, my daughter and granddaughter live with us as she is a young single mum. My youngest daughter attends our local catholic school, as did all of my other 7 children however my granddaughter was not given a place as they said she could not be counted as a sibling. We obviously can’t be in 2 places at once to take them to school and back. (I would be the one to do this usually but I work full time and sometimes my son needs to come straight from secondary school on the bus to collect. It would then be another bus to collect my granddaughter. Can we argue that she should be counted as a sibling?thanks for any help you can offer.

    Debbie peters

  47. I don’t think you’ll be able to claim “sibling status”. You need otherwise to show that your preferred school uniquely meets your grandchild’s needs, compared with other schools, this will mean looking at the school’s policies and facilities.

    francisgilbert

  48. Hi , my daughter has been refused a place at the secondary school that my other children attended (two are still in attendance at the school) . When my eldest son started there we were in the catchment area, we have not moved but the catchment area has which is out of our control (it now finishes just a few steps from our house) It will be much cheaper for me to take them by car than bus and the school she has been offered is slightly nearer but more difficult to get to and theres no dedicated school bus like at her brothers school and she won’t catch a public bus on her own


  49. You’ll have to take this to the Local Govt Ombudsman http://www.education.gov.uk/popularquestions/schools/appealsprocess/a005498/lost-school-admissions-appeal, if you want to take this further. You really need to show your child met the schools’ admissions criteria, or show how your preferred school UNIQUELY meets your child’s needs. Good luck!

    francisgilbert

  50. Thanks for your advice.

    Debbie peters

  51. Hello. We got our 4th reception choice which is 2 miles away (quite a distance for London). Our son currently attends nursery school at our preferred school, it is the nearest school distance wise but we are not in catchment. I was wondering if you though it would be worth appealing on the grounds that my husband is a newishly registered childminder, has one child he currently takes to this school with our son, and another who he currently has who is due to start in reception at our preferred school. But he won’t be able to keep them on if we have to go to our offered school. We are worried about losing work and wonder if by providing the school a paid service they might consider accepting our son?

    This will affect his job as he will not be able to take 4 children under 4 safely on a bus (two are under 13 months!) and it is a 40 min walk otherwise. As only 2% of males are childminders in the UK we hope that the authority would be gaining what we hope they would perceive as an asset and help readdress the gender balance of male childcarers in the workforce etc. Childminders are alsl really hard to find in this area esp male ones!

    We are genuinely worried about how he will manage to take all these kids to our offered school but at the end of the day, that is our problem! I have written an appeal but not yet sent it. Any tips or advice would be so welcome, thanks!

    P.s. Sorry for any typos…I don’t seem to be able to reread through this to check it properly!

    laura wood

  52. Hi, my son has been refused a place at our primary preference and is second on the waiting list.its highly unlikely anyone will give up their place as it is an outstanding school.we applied to this school as it is the mainsteam lead primary ASD school(autistic spectrum disorder). when we applied we had no paperwork confirming his consultations or assessments so I could only write that he was going through assessments.we have now just recieved a confirmation diagnosis for him.my consultant has expressed concerns about the placement he has been offered that they dont deal well with autistic children.also my youngest has been given a place at our preferred school nursery so it is impossible to get them both to school on time and i dont drive so the little one will be 20 mins late for nursery every day.(the placement offered does not have a nursery)admissions have told us our application was considered on distance only.


  53. just to add to comment already sent; our LEA doesnt have ‘catchment’ areas any more so its not a matter of being in or out of catchment its purely based on criteria which we do indeed meet you could live 5 miles away but have a sibling in school and you will be given a place.we live less than 1 mile up the road,a 15 min walk.


  54. Hi – great blog, thank you. My eldest daughter is currently inher 2nd year at the local Catholic primary school (we are not Catholic), but her younger sister has been refused entry on class size grounds (losing out, because the voluntary-aided school ranks virtually everything above the sibling rule and doesn’t use catchment – we live 2 mins away). My eldest is, and the school knows this, quite a difficult child and has had special help from the SENCO. The younger sibling goes to drop off and pick up, attends Mass etc and both siblings are desparate to be at the same school (my wife and I recently divorced so there are issues over keeping the family together also). The eldest will be seriously traumatised if her younger sibling doesn’t come to the school, even though her friends’ siblings do – she will simply not be able to process this, and her wellbeing will be affected. My question is, is the trauma that our eldest child will suffer if her younger sibling is not admitted relevant to an appeal, or do they only consider the wellbeing of the applicant sibling?


  55. Hi,

    Just a follow up on my previous post, and hoping you could offer some advice on this. We had a meeting with the Headmaster at the school my son is currently at, to discuss reasons for him not being offered a place at reception class. One of our queries was that a child outside of the catchment area has been offered a place, and yet our son has not. We were told by the Headmaster that part of the schools admission criteria (it is a Catholic school), is that even if a child is outside of the catchment area and are catholic and have applied they are given higher priority to non-catholics. Also, we have come to know that other children (who are also non-catholic and outside of the catchment area) have been offered a place. I have checked and re-checked the schools admissions policy downloaded from their website, and nowhere does it state that if a child is catholic and outside the parish area, that they are given priority over non-catholics within it.

    We are strongly considering an appeal so any advice would be great.

    Mr Mishra

  56. In answer to your question, it depends whether there is a category for “special considerations” in the Admissions’ Criteria. If there isn’t, you’ll need to argue about the schools’ policies and ethos UNIQUELY addressing your children’s needs. If there is a sibling policy in the Admissions’ Criteria then that should help as well. You need to keep the focus on how the school’s approach UNIQUELY addresses your child’s special needs…

    francisgilbert

  57. It depends on their admissions’ criteria. If there is no provision for SEN in it, then it might be difficult. However, the LA has a responsibility to SEN children, so going back to the LA is probably the best bet, and explaining how the school UNIQUELY addresses your child’s needs. Look at their SEN policy…

    francisgilbert

  58. You probably won’t be able to appeal on these grounds. You really need to show a) that you’ve met the schools’ admissions’ criteria b) how your preferred school UNIQUELY meets your child’s needs through its policies, ethos, facilities, approach etc…

    francisgilbert

  59. hi my school does have a criteria- exeptional medical or psychological needs- this needs a doctors letter which we have sent. also the consultant has written that he is concerned about the placement given as they dont cope well with autistic children. would this help.I have also sent a letter explaining the provisions the school has in place as a matter of standard.Also they have 10 classes,10 teachers,11 supports 1 of which is specifically qualified to support the autistic children and 1 that is an HLTA.as the deputy head also doesnt teach can I make the argument that they wouldnt need extra funding because their HLTA can teach in a class as long as a qualified teacher is there. Thanks


  60. Hi my daughter has just been refused a place of school I choose for herself to go her brother gose to the same school and her other brother has just gone to secondary school from the same school we live 2 muns away from the school and she as been refused because I sent the form in late with was I had appointment after appointment with my older son who as special needs where would I stand on an appile

    marie carr

  61. I am in Northern Ireland……..and have gone through the transfer process with my child. I believe that my child will not be accepted into our first choice school even though there is a sibling there. They sat the GL Assessment in November and got a grade C2. However we did have special circumstances which the school was notified of at the time. How do I know they won’t get their first choice school ? The Education and library board who are responsible for placing children in post primary schools wrote to me requesting that I add more schools to our preference list. I know that it is slightly different to England but any advice would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks.


  62. Hi, our son has just been refused a place in our 1st choice primary school as we are not in catchment, our property is up for sale and when sold we are looking to move into catchment but selling is taking longer that we thought. Our son has been at the school for 12 months already in reception and his older sister (1 year older) is already at the school and will be starting year 1. if we have to send our son to a school in our catchment it means our daughter will be at least 30min late for school everyday as we only have one car and i work shifts so the mother will need to do 2 school drops in the morning and at pick up so my daughter will be late arriving and we will be late picking her up this will obviously affect her school work/education. its immpossible! Our son also has a bit of a stammer and since being at the school it has improved, but if we have to tell him he cant go there after being there already for 12 months he will be heart broken and we are concerned that his stammer will get worse from the situation. also he and his sister are very close due being exactly 12 months apart in age and she will also be upset that he will not be able go there so she may be affected also (not that her feelings will be considered but being 30min late for school everyday is a problem) .we are going to appeal and we are number 2 on the waiting list but we have been told unless someone pulls there child out of the school our chances are zero. what are our chances in appealing do you think?


  63. You should appeal on the grounds of his stammer. You need to get the Local Authority to assess him for Special Needs, or someone at the nursery who is suitably qualified. You should insist he is assessed by an Educational Psychologist at some point too. Once he is judged to have Special Needs, he should receive preferential treatment IF special needs is on the Admissions Criteria (SEN should be because they are on most admissions criteria). You need to show the suffering caused to your child greatly outweigh the trouble incurred on the school by taking you… The arguments about your journey etc probably won’t count (it’s not really an educational argument), but you never know, there are independent lay people on these panels who have to take everything into account.

    francisgilbert

  64. It’s probably best to wait and see what you’re given, but certainly appeal if you don’t get your first place. The board may be doing you a favour by asking you to fill in the paperwork correctly, often applications are disallowed because they are incorrectly filled in…

    francisgilbert

  65. You should definitely appeal regarding this issue, or go to the School Ombudsman: https://www.gov.uk/schools-admissions/appealing-a-schools-decision

    francisgilbert

  66. It sounds like you’ve got a very strong case. You will need to persist with this, and make sure you show very clearly with your paperwork that your preferred school UNIQUELY meets your child’s needs and that you meet the admissions’ criteria. Good luck!

    francisgilbert

  67. hi do i have a case with my son, he has been refused as we dont live near the school, my other son attends the nursery there too, i am going back to work after maternity leave and my mom who does live in the area will be taking both my sons plus my nephew to school and collecting them every day, my mom walks to collect them so has no transport, she wont be able to collect him from anywhere else due to collecting the other two from that school at the same time, i cant afford to pay for my son to go to before and after school clubs, so if my son cant get into this school i cannot return to work which is not an option at these difficult times, what do you think do i have a case ?

    amy shone

  68. Hello , I been unsuccessful in winning an appeal for my daught who is currently in year 2 at the school her younger brother (Y1) attends on the grounds of maximum class size dispite me being disabled and have difficulty walking the children to school.. I have been told that this rule does not apply when she reaches year 3 but I have to base my apeal on why this particular is the best school for her. Is there any advise you can give as to the areas I should cover in my appeal and the type of back evidence or supporting letter I would require.

    Thank you.


  69. Unfortunately, unless there is something in the school criteria about this, it might be difficult. You need to show that the school UNIQUELY meets your child’s educational needs compared with other schools in the area. You could definitely bring this up in an appeal, but it is unlikely to sway your case unless you have some other very good reasons why your child must go to the school which are related to the admissions’ criteria of the school. Good luck!

    francisgilbert

  70. If your child has SEN then this should be taken in account. I strongly advise you to take this further. This is good advice here: http://www.education.gov.uk/popularquestions/schools/appealsprocess/a005498/lost-school-admissions-appeal

    francisgilbert

  71. Hi my name is Anna I m from Poland, but I liveing in England about 8 years now. My son Jan its 4 years old and we try to get place for him in Catholic school….me and my housbend we are catholic Jan was baptism as well … we liveing like a normal family, Jan its very smart boy…. but this is nothing we not get a place on catholic school and next week we have appeal meeting. … the government offer to my son place on public primary school which like I get one week ago the raport from ofsted …this school inspeftion is indequate…. mean for me horrible. .. we are a roman catholic family with tradition. … we dont know what to do…..


  72. We are practising Christians. There is only one faith school in our area. It is catholic but we are Church of England. My son has been attending church weekly since he was born and regularly serves at the alter in church. He is baptised, confirmed and has been at a Christian school since he was 4 and I want him to continue his Christian education (so does he.) the school does take non Catholics but isover subscribed and as we are 2 and a half miles away it does not look like he will get in. last year the school took 7 children (non Catholics) in after they appealed. We have links with the Catholic Church attached to the school as some of my family are catholic (brother in law and nephews) and we have attended for their baptisms, first communions and confirmations. I am also godparent to one of my catholic nephews. (They also attend this school.) The schools specialisms are maths and computing, my son excels in these areas and he wants to go into engineering. do you think I have a case? Our only chance of getting this school is by appeal.

    S davies

  73. Hi
    I just thought i would e-mail and pre-empt a possible problem i may have. I have just completed my child application for secondary school in sept 2014. I have had my church application filled and my minister will only commit to putting we attend 1/2 times per month.this is true but he does understand that i do a lot of volunteer work for domestic a use women at an agency that my church supply food bank provisions to. My child also competes in many meetings for a particular sport and is gaining quite a good reputation for her ability. The faith school i have applied to also competes at a national level for this sport. This is one of the reasons that i chose this school but also because i have a child already been thru the school and stayed on for 6th form. I am just a bit worried abt church declaration but i also have a letter from church that my child attends the uniformed groups (brownies etc) and has done since the age of 5, attends monthly junior church and sometimes holiday club all at the same church. I also have a letter from my volunteer setting confirming my volunteer work…any advice in case i dont get offered a place? Thank you so much


  74. It really sounds like you’ve got it covered, but obviously always double-check that you have met the admissions criteria, and that your case is built around the needs of your child.

    francisgilbert

  75. It sounds like you do, but always double-check the admissions criteria.

    francisgilbert

  76. You must look carefully at the admissions criteria of your preferred school and see if you meet it.

    francisgilbert

  77. hi, my youngest daughter didn’t get a place at our (now) catchment school as we were in the process of moving (exchanged contracts about a month after deadline) I already have a daughter at the school she’s been there 2 years and is in year 2, I put her into the school because we had always planned to move to there, but things didn’t go as planned and it took a lot longer than expected to sell our house. we now live 2min walk away from the school, but the school was over subscribed and we didn’t rank high enough on the school oversubscription criteria for a place, the LA have admitted 4 over PAN to allow for in catchment children and one out of catchment with a sibling on roll (we came into that categories to but lived further away).it’s now 3 over PAN as 1 child declined there place, but they have not re allocated, the LA have done this hoping that the no’s will fall back to pan and they can get rid of the temporary teacher in place.
    We lost our first appeal on the grounds of future infant class size prejudice. I went to the ombudsman about the appeal, a few weeks later after I found out that the school was expanding and I felt the future class size prejudice didn’t stand up. the LA have agreed to a fresh appeal, but I’m concerned the LA’s case will be stronger than mine because they have more resources and knowledge. Many thanks for any guidance you can give me….
    Fiona

    Fiona Hardy

  78. It sounds to me like your new appeal has a strong chance of succeeding, given all the aspects you have been talking about: your proximity to the school. You can “beef up” your case by showing how the school “uniquely” meets the needs of your child: look at its policies/resources/procedures etc and select a few that especially meet your child’s needs. Showing that the suffering caused to your child by NOT getting a place outweighs the suffering caused to the school if they have to admit your child…Good luck! Remember independent lay members sit on appeal hearings too.

    francisgilbert

  79. Hi
    Any advice for me? My daughter is in year 6 and has a statement, the statement is for general learning difficulties (but these are due to the fact she has a genetic growth nd speech and language disorder which also means she is developmentally delayed) she has been in the same mainstream primary since nursery and has had done really well overcoming many obstacles and managing to get to a level 2a in literacy and 2c in maths. the primary school, myself and the educational psychologist etc have agreed she is very vulnerable requiring lots of adult supervision and would find a large mainstream unmanagable and it would not be beneficial to her emotional wellbeing. Our LEA have agreed to a special school placement for September however I was not happy with the one suggested as it is a broad spectrum learning difficulty school which does not follow the national curriculum and i feel is not appropriate for my daughter a) because she has proven she can follow the national curriculum and make progress with the correct support: and b) a large proportion of the other children at that school have unpredictable behaviour which puts her at risk due to her tiny stature and physical vulnerability, all the professionals supporting her believe she can continue to make progress with the correct support and that she is too vulnerable for such a broad spectrum school. So I have requested a place at a school for children with complex medical needs, we visited there with her and it suited her physical and emotional vulnerability needs perfectly – small classes of 10 with a teacher and 2 T.A’s and a really safe and calm environment. Perfect! her application went to their admissions panel last Friday. I have just had a call to say that she has been rejected due to panel feeling her levels 2’s are to low for her to cope with the full national curriculum ( which they follow) however there own deputy head told me on the school open day that they have current students there on low levels (1 and 2). To top it off the education officer has suggested I try A mainstream school in a neighbouring authority that has a good sen provision and would have to accept her due her statement? How can that be right? I am so confused and feel I should go to the sen tribunal and appeal to get her in the special school which I have chosen. What do you think?


  80. I think the best and first step would be to talk to a sympathetic teacher at the school. Do you know of any? You, the teachers, and your grandson need to find a way of feeling less alienated and unhappy. The best place to start is with talking to a member of staff who understands.

    francisgilbert

  81. This seems surprising, especially considering that the school seemed to welcome the idea of your daughter going there initially, and seemed to have provisions made for SEN students. Two things strike me, first do look at other schools, but second, possibly think about going to the Ombudsman about the situation, because it seems a bit unfair.

    francisgilbert

  82. Hi we have decided to go to the SEN tribunal to appeal to the decision – I will keep my fingers crossed I have lots of supporting evidence


  83. My son has been refused 1st and 2nd choice schools for year 7. We live in the catchment area for our first choice, and his older brother already attends there. The school is 0.8 miles from our house. We have been offered a school, which we didn’t request, which is 3 miles away. How can this be when we meet criteria??

    minimee

  84. My child has been refused a place at her choosen secondary school on the grounds places were offer to chidren whom live nearest the school. Last year last child admitted live 4.626km from the school and I live 4200. However because they have had some many application whom live 2097 to the school they have offer place to them. However my next door neighbour goes to the same school and he started last year. We have a good bus service down my road one bus takes you to the school and if my daughter was offered was offered a place , me and my neighbour was going to share the transport. In a car the school is 15 min away. What would be your advice, my daughter is devasted and has been sick all week with a temperture and her eczema has really been bad. She loves drama and this school has a lovely drama placement, as well its family centre and has a fantastic cirriculum.


  85. Hi, I hope that you have some advice for me. I chose a boys secondary catholic school since we are Catholics and we go to church every week. Distance is not a problem because we live within distance of the school. The church has a system of monitoring mass attendance and we have 18/22. It is not 100% but high. During some months I was looking after a foster baby so I could not go to church every week. The baby left 7 months ago and we went back to go to mass every Sunday. The priest has put us as half mass attendance so we have been refused a place. I would like to appeal but I am not sure I have any chances of winning.


  86. Hi, I hope that you have some advice for me. I chose a boys secondary catholic school since we are Catholics and we go to church every week. Distance is not a problem because we live within distance of the school. The church has a system of monitoring mass attendance and we have 18/22. It is not 100% but high. During some months I was looking after a foster baby so I could not go to church every week. The baby left 7 months ago and we went back to go to mass every Sunday. The priest has put us as half attendance so we have been refused a place. I would like to appeal but I am not sure I have any chances of winning.


  87. It’s worth appealing and explaining exactly this. You could also point out that the government is critical of schools doing this sort of thing at the appeal hearing: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/10666200/Nick-Clegg-faith-schools-risk-being-silos-of-segregation.html

    francisgilbert

  88. It’s worth appealing and pointing that the facilities of the school uniquely meet your child’s needs, ie the drama, the family centre, and aspects of the curriculum, and show how the other schools do not. Good luck.

    francisgilbert

  89. You definitely should appeal if you meet the criteria. It could be a mistake.

    francisgilbert

  90. Hi
    We were unsuccessful in our appeal last year for a reception place (we applied for a COE School which required regular attendance at church – we had the required no. of attendances (60) over the 2 year period but were not admitted because we had signed the church register 38 times in one year and 22 times in previous year (due to move of address and our previous church did not have a register). We felt that we were treated very unfairly as we had met the number of attendances required and the admission criteria has since been changed reflecting the issues we raised as unfair. Where do we stand with this – can we re appeal or can anything be done as the fact they have changed admission criteria based on my appeal points demonstrates the unfairness of our situation.


  91. Hi, this my 1st time doing this but would really appreciate any advice you can give. I have 4 children, my first has cerebral palsy and is in secondary school with statement of educational needs. My second is about to join him there in September. I have to drop him at school because he is unable to walk and when he joined the school the LEA said they don’t provide transport if you live less than 3 miles from the school. I would therefore normally drop him and carry on to my other two childrens primary school. When i applied for last childs place at their primary school I put down social/medical grounds for her to join them. She will have her sibling there and the schools are close enough for me to drop all of them bearing in mind that I must drop her disabled brother as per LEA laws. My daughter didnt get my 1st. 2nd or 3rd choice but has been given a school that is further away and in another direction entirely from where the other two schools are. I had put down the other two schools as one school is on the other side of the road to me but oversubscribed, the other is opposite the secondary school but also oversubscribed and obviously my first choice the school which her siblings currently attend. I know I can appeal but I would like to see if I have a strong enough case and how to go about my appeal.
    Katie


  92. I definitely think you should appeal. The key thing to look at is that you are meeting the admissions criteria for your preferred school; most admissions criteria give preference to students with SEN so I imagine you have a very good chance if you meet the other criteria. You should also consider going to the Local Ombudsman (http://www.lgo.org.uk/making-a-complaint/) if you fail that because it sounds to me like you’ve got a very strong case indeed. Mumsnet have good advice on all of this: http://www.mumsnet.com/education/secondary/admission-appeals as do the government: https://www.gov.uk/schools-admissions/appealing-a-schools-decision .Good luck!

    francisgilbert

  93. Thankyou, that helps a lot. We are out of catchment though for the primary, but were in when the older siblings started there. So the citeria would then be siblings and the statemented older brother in secondary that I used on the social grounds. I hope that makes it slightly clearer.
    They have taken in 5 children out of catchment with sibling. I wont know her place on the waiting list till Tuesday but i still want to press ahead with my appeal as waiting list is still not a guarantee. Also do I appeal for all three schools or just the one where the siblings are.
    Many thanks for advice.
    Katie


  94. No problem! Good luck!

    francisgilbert

  95. My daughter has been rejected a place in year 3 again in our catechement area school attend by her older brother. Her little sister has been offered a place in infant class next September. I am trying to transfer her for the last 2 years on the ground of the distance and having a sibling in the school but failled the 2 appeals. Any advic, please.


  96. Hello,
    Great article. Thank you.
    My son was allocated our third option and we’re appealing for our firtst optioin. Do you think that diversity grounds would be a good grounds to appeal on? The school he’s received is mainly – white, other white and very little percentage of asian. My son is caribbean/white and that’s why we chose our first school, where my son would be exposed to both ethnicities and learn where his heritage comes from better, plus the school he got, dosn’t do nut free meals and he is severaly allergic to nuts and one more, our first choice offeres a class for ‘brighter’ children in year 3 and he is way above his average now after talking to his classroom teacher.

    Would we have any chance at all?
    Thank you.


  97. You can certainly raise this issue, and show how your preferred school uniquely meets your child’s needs, but it should be backed by a reference from a relevant teacher, Educational Welfare Officer, or Ed Psych. You also have to meet the admissions criteria. Good luck!

    francisgilbert

  98. Hope you can help. My youngest son has not been offered a place at our catchment school as it is over subscribed. In 2008 the same school said they could not support my eldest son as he has a rare chromosome deletion. I am appealing on the grounds of ‘discrimination by association’, as if my eldest son was not disabled or had been given a place then my youngest son would have a place also. Please can you give me any advice having trouble finding if disability rights extended to other family members.

    Catherine Peirson

  99. This is a good question. I’m not sure about this one; but I suspect not. Did you prove the discrimination in the first place with your eldest son? That would be the first step, and then you may be able to get your youngest son in if the school has a sibling’s policy. The crucial thing is to look at the admissions policy of the school and see if it favours SEN etc. This is a good website to start with: https://www.gov.uk/rights-disabled-person/education-rights

    francisgilbert

  100. Thank you for your reply, I think we were unsure of things back in 2008 and just thought ‘if they don’t want him then there not having him’. I know if someone said that to me know then I would fight them. I think sometimes sadly you only gain strength & learn through experience. I will keep looking and sourcing support, I intend to go through with my appeal. I will let you know how I get on. Thanks again x

    Catherine Peirson

  101. Hi, I hope you can advise. My son got a place at a good school outside our catchment almost 4 sessions ago. But our daughter has just been refused based on class size. we are thinking of appealing. we are thinking of doing so based on the decision being ‘unreasonable. in honesty, i only filled in that the reason for the school choice was due to sibling already being there and for second choice we stated close proximity to home. she was offered 2nd choice. I guess it was down to naivity. But my husband is going to be away from home a lot from summer ‘seeking greener pastures abroad’ and so i’ll be on my own doing the school run and I work in another city 20 miles away from where we leave.

    i called up admissions and was told there’s a long waiting list and i have a choice of pulling my older child out of school and appealing for him to be accepeted in the school offered to my younger child. however im concerned this may affect him as he doesnt make friends easily and has had just two friends since nursery.

    how best can i word the reasons for our appeal. im confused


  102. Hi,

    We applied for secondary school places through the LA on the 22nd of Oct 2013, 31st being the deadline using the current address, we were in the process of purchasing another property in a different school catchment, the search/purchase started over two years ago, we notified the authority of this before applying, we moved on the 12th of Nov (would have been in Oct but got delayed a month due to regulatory action on the conveyancers), and notified the authority of this move in January once we had all the bills of the new property. On 3rd of march we were notified that we had no offers from the six chosen schools, upon enquiry the LA said that this is because we applied in January and our application was considered as late. All late applicants go automatically to waiting lists, do you think there is an error by the LA as they upon query in October advised us to use the current address and do not delay application and notify once we have moved?
    thanks


  103. Ive just moved home a hour drive from my daughters school. The most local one I can now found is a half hour drive from our home. How can that ok. I do have a car but two other small children and the cost of that journey 4 times everyday. Do I have strong grounds for appeal with more local schools


  104. my eldest daughter was placed at our nearest primary/junior school she now attends secondary school of i have been completly happy with though her younger siblings was told no they couldnt have a place at the same primary ./junior scl which is no more than 5 mins away so instead i have to walk over an hour to take them to the school they were actually placed at 1 child is yr 1 other is reception n despite the long walk they both enjoyed it now my biggest problem is they can offer 1 child a place but not rthe other and are offering me a school for youngest n just so happen i really dont like this school so what happened to getting a place automaticlly couse an older siblin went there


  105. The main thing to check is to see if the school’s admissions’ criteria will favour your child because there’s a sibling rule in the admissions’ criteria. The crucial point is to check the admissions’ criteria and see if you can get preferential treatment.

    francisgilbert

  106. It all depends upon your local schools’ admissions’ criteria. If they favour you because you’re close to the school and they’re not full, then they should admit you, so definitely appeal.

    francisgilbert

  107. The LA is obliged to find you the closest school to you that is not full so there’s something a bit odd going on here. It might be worth going to the Ombudsman. http://www.lgo.org.uk/schools/http://www.lgo.org.uk/schools/

    francisgilbert

  108. The best way to appeal is to check your preferred schools’ admissions’ criteria very carefully and see if you meet it, if you do, the school may well be obliged to take you if they’re not full, or if the trouble suffered by your child outweighs the trouble incurred by the school.

    francisgilbert

  109. Hi
    We have been refused our appeal for our 1st choice of school which is not our catchment school but is located 0.3m from our home and is closer than our catchment school. We put down 3 choices and were given our second choice, we were at fault as we put our catchment school as 3rd choice. We have just appealed for our catchment school and been refused that as they state we are too far away in the catchment even though we are 1st on the waiting list, but have allocated 5 additional children over and above ourselves. We do not know what to do now as we have been given a school 3 times as far away from our home, we have no family within a minimum of 10miles, we gave a good strong case over childcare issues etc, the fact that this is our catchment school, we have found new childcare, our child doesn’t settle well, I will more than likely lose my job as they cannot accomodate me changing to work school hours. Are the panel obliged to take into account all issues raised and the fact that we were at the top of that waiting list, the refusal letter does not list the major reasons we were at appeal in the fitst place. What do we do now?


  110. My 4 year old son has been offered a school out of our catchment area and is 2.4 miles away. I don’t drive and have a young baby (4 months) so use a pram, they are expecting me to walk alongside a busy main road which has no footpath. I am going to appeal on safety issues is there anything I could add to help my appeal. Local school is a 10 minute walk with no busy main road.


  111. You can certainly mention the safety issues in your appeal, but ultimately your success will depend upon whether you can meet the admissions’ criteria of the school, and whether the problems incurred by the school in admitting your child are not as great as the problems your child will have if he doesn’t get a place. Focus upon educational points as well, talking about the school uniquely meets your child’s needs. Good luck!

    francisgilbert

  112. Ultimately, the school makes a judgement upon admitting your child based on their admissions criteria, not your childcare issues; if you meet their admissions’ criteria then you can get a place. I would seek advice from your Local Authority about this; it may be you filled in the forms incorrectly and didn’t appeal in the right way. You can complain; more details are here:
    https://www.gov.uk/schools-admissions/appealing-a-schools-decision
    The complaint form is here:
    https://form.education.gov.uk/fillform.php?self=1&form_id=cJjpB3CdBfq&1

    francisgilbert

  113. Thanks for your reply, the appeal panel did not consider all the information we provided and have not listed any of the main concerns that we raised within the refusal letter, this was not just due to carer issues but educational and procedural errors of the school allocated. The LEA made a mistake with their figures and allocated a child the morning of the appeal, they seem to be able to make errors but as parents we are not. The education authority state that even though we are in catchment if we had put our catchment as 1st choice we would not have been given a place as too far away in straightline distance, but we also appealed our closest school which is not catchment but closer than the furtherest child allocated a place to be told we were out of catchment and wouldnt be granted a place. We did meet criteria, the authority seems to be moving the goal posts and to top it off the LEA Manager has given contradictory info to our local Cllr which conflicts with info given to us. In practice if we are too far away within catchment to be allocated a place at our catchment school, then all children from the surrounding properties will be placed by the LEA in any school of their chosing. Surely catchment areas are there for a reason, we are on the boarder of 2 schools but would never be allocated to either, it appears that the LEA are allowed to make it up as they go along to suit them and not for the interest of the childs educational welfare. We have contacted the Ombudsman but would also like to get some professional help. Do you know of any specialist solicitors within Cheshire that we could contact as we are struggling to locate anyone?.


  114. Hi, I hope you could advise me. I am a single parent who works full time, I moved my daughter to a different area, as I was offered a better paid job. She didn’t want to leave, now the job has not worked out and I am returning to my home area. I can only afford a certain area, and the nearest school is my daughters former school. I rang the school who say year 8 is full I have to go through the appeals process. My daughter is so unhappy, she as stated to lose interest in school, because she wants to return to former school. It was my fault we moved, but job isn’t working out at all. I only care about my daughter who was doing well at her old school. She is so unhappy that I am worried.

    julie johnston

  115. Hi, we are moving house and my son has got a year 7 place at closest school but my daughter year 6 has not, we have an appeal in 2 weeks but have just had the following info – ” at the time of admission to year 5 sept 2013 due to a large local intake the local authority requested the school to admit 160 pupils – (10 more above PAN) – the governors refused but agreed to admit 155 stating no more children would be admitted to the year group until the numbers dropped below 150. 2 children have now left the year group leaving 153.” My thoughts are if they have previously admitted 155 surely there is room for one more and waiting for the numbers to drop to 150 is foolish as local need has not changed – any advise for our appeal ?

    gina gadd

  116. We rented in a house and rented our own house out and gained a place for son in the school of our choice. We have now had to return to our own house and the local authority are revoking the sibling rule for my daughter as they say we fraudlently gained a school place although we physically moved to the rented house. Pleaes advise if you think I could appeal – thanks.


  117. my eldest child is in year 8 (age 12 ) and I applied as a first choice school for the same school for my second child but she has not been given this school or any of the other two I listed.
    The school is a catholic VA school and I need to appeal as it is extremely stressful and daunting trying to work out how I would manage two children in two completely different areas and schools.
    The sibling criteria is in the admissions criteria but it is number 8 on the list.
    any advice on how I would word my appeal


  118. Hi I wonder if you can advise me. My ex husband wants my daughter to go to private school (reception). He got a court order in the summer that we would trial nursery for a year – the order clearly states that his preference is for my daughter to attend private primary school. He has now applied for a state school place – with the express intent of blocking my application for state school – the education authority will not accept two applications for one child as this will place others at determent who could have been offered a place. I am now in the position where my daughter has not been offered any state school place. the EA say she is out of the process – and the appeals process – because she has not even been offered a place. I have to go to court in May to get a judge to decide on schools – but I wondered if I win, do you think I have a chance to appeal to get my daughter into the school of my choice (which is my second nearest school) – or failing that the nearest school to me? grateful for any advice you could give me.

    Cath Davies

  119. Hi, I hope you can help. My son was not given any of his 6 choices but offered a place in a c of e school. We are not a religious family and do not wish for our child to be taught religion or made to pray twice a day . What will happen if we appeal? We are worried.

    sue panther

  120. hi
    My 6 year old daughter has been going since reception to RC primary school, which she is in year 1. I have also another daughter 4 year old but did not get a place in nursery last year, even this year for the reception school did not offer her a place. I thought if you got a siblings in school the other might have chance. We are non-Catholic, but when we applied for my older for school this one was our second choice, they offered the place, since were living near this school we accepted. Last year we have to move ,but we decided not to change the school which wasn’t that far journey take 20 minutes bus or train 10 minutes, because my daughter has achieved so much in the school and formed a very strong bond with children and the staff, we were afraid she might withdraw, she is very sensitive child. My 4 year old daughter has become quiet familiar with school has so made a lot of friend which they go same school as her sister but is surprised why she can’t go also like her friends. Last year we were told the was reason was to many catholic children so she is on the waiting I talked with the school but still school rules catholic come first even that her sister attend the school there does not come into the consideration. This year my younger daughter has been offered a place at different school which is impossible for us to take them at the same at school. I work with rotation, since my work in being on train and if there is a power failure or fatality involving the train I am on,then I will be delayed and won’t be able to pick up. Not having relatives in this country me and my husband have to relay on friend which my daughters know them and their children. The way I see is impossible to take at the same time girls in two different schools.
    We are appealing do you think we have a strong a appeal.
    thank you Lita


  121. Hi my daughter has been refused a place at her link Catholic junior school because the criteria recently changed last year. She was not baptised during her first year of birth. The reason being i was a victim of domestic violence so bad that i ended up in a wheelchair having two spinal operations. The soonest I could have her baptised was when she was two years old. She then became the victim of neglect and abandoment, being left in the front garden of our home by her father with whom i had not lived with since i endured the battery. We absorbed ourselves in the faith, volunteered for many things related to our church. She is 7 years old, the rejection will hurt her beyond belief as we have built a community related to her infant school. For 3 years she has attended many events at the junior school linked and relationships with the children, and i with the families. As a single parent with no family at all of my own since i lost my father 2 years ago I am frightened for her and how this will affect her. We have appealed which has been incredibly painful in itself. Her father lives in Slovakia now as following the convictions he was unable to secure a job coaching kids in the UK. With a criminal record, even one against our child he is able to do this in Slovakia, living with his new girlfriend he met online 2 years ago. He or his family want nothing to do with my daughter as they blame me for his convictions. I suffered depression for the time i went through all these events.I am a hard working mother and have never claimed a penny for my child, i have supported her independently and offer myself regularly to her infants school to support them. I am also a member of the PTA. For the church i run a lunch and bingo every 3 weeks, support Crisis at Xmas when i work as nurse for 2 shifts. I explain to my girls that the reason is we have a lot to be thankful for and its my way of giving back. I have not told my daughter she does not have a place in September as i cannot. She is a sensitive child, 2 years above national standards and thriving well. However i believe that is because she has a family in the church and our community in the school and the ethos of its teaching. This child needs to feel apart of what she has built during the last 3 years. I have the supporting paperwork for the appeal referencing each of the events, so nothing will be assumption, it is factual, supported by a social worker report,GP letter, priests letter and other information. I have decided to home tutor if she does not get a place because that way i can tell her she is a wanted child, wanted my me even if the school she expected to attend does not.

    sarah bruno

  122. Dear Francis, We have just been through an appeal for our only faith school which was oversubscribed. The school is uniquely an interfaith school for Anglicans & Catholics (as Cat 1). I submitted in my evidence that the inter-faith part was important to me because I come from Northern Ireland. Noone challenged our faith in the precedings but I was asked to answer a hypothetical question on “Would I still send my child if it was single faith?”. I answerd honestly that I would have to re-consider it. The panel member initially appeared to ask me if faith schools caused the Northern Ireland problem which asked the clerk if it was appropraite for me to answer. Should I have been obliged to answer a vague hypothetical question this way. It felt like they were trying to test my commitment to my faith and faith schools?


  123. This sounds rather strange. The panel should only be assessing whether you meet the admissions’ criteria for the school; that and nothing else.

    francisgilbert

  124. I’m sorry to hear this, it sounds extremely difficult. It’s definitely worth appealing and explaining these “special circumstances” to the appeal panel, or failing that the ombudsman.

    francisgilbert

  125. If you don’t meet the admissions’ criteria, you won’t succeed; I’m not sure that you do meet them from what you say, although it’s difficult to know for certain because obviously I don’t have the criteria in front of me.

    francisgilbert

  126. Hi, are you appealing for a different school? If so, you will need to show you meet the criteria for that school. This will decide upon your success, not your attitudes towards religion etc.

    francisgilbert

  127. I think you will really have to come to some kind of agreement with your ex on this one; you can’t have two applications in the system. Once you have agreement, you could appeal if you haven’t got the school of your choice AND you meet the admissions’ criteria of your preferred school.

    francisgilbert

  128. Yes, definitely appeal and stress how you meet the criteria; an appeal panel should take this seriously.

    francisgilbert

  129. A tricky one this one; the school do have grounds for claiming this I think. If you do appeal, you’ll have to explain that it was an honest decision. You’ll need to convince them of this.

    francisgilbert

  130. You’ll have to show that the suffering incurred upon your son will outweigh the problems incurred by the school in admitting him. A panel will have to decide upon this.

    francisgilbert

  131. It’s worth an appeal if you meet the criteria for this school, you can also tell the appeals panel about your daughter’s problems, although this will not be the deciding factor, it will be whether you meet the criteria.

    francisgilbert

  132. Dear Francis, Very much appreciated your comments on the weird faith question I was asked. In the end we lost our appeal. There were significant errors in the proceedure and the way the hearing was conducted e.g. contact between the chair and the admissions officer outside the panel hearing, last minute changes to admissions statements plus many others. They also failed to comment on our concerns about bullying in final response. In short is it worth going for an Ombudsman appeal? – My view is we can press the school to utilise its full capacity and put pressure on the diocese to commit the school to apply its ethos properly in the meantime (its a faith school). But without some changes from the school we might just end up with same conclusion (no room and too far from home) again. Is it worth going through all the trauma again?


  133. My child has not been given a school place with his sibling at a junior school although the school he has been offered is 3 miles away. My situation is that I am a single parent who offers childcare for lots of other children at the older siblings school as well as a local infant school. Would my financial/home situation be taken into account as an affect on my child? I am going to appeal in the next couple of weeks and have other arguments around this situation but wondered if this would be taken into consideration as it does impact our home and also those of the children I care for?


  134. My son is due to reception in September, I have tried to get him in the catchment school that is a two minute walk from our house but I have been refused due to class size. The next nearest school is three miles away and would not be possible to walk to. I have been advised that they will supply a taxi to collect my four year old son but I do not feel comfortable with this, I also have a two year old son who is at the preschool, next to our catchment school. I am going to appeal but have been advised that it is unlikely I will win. My only other option is to hilome school which is unfair to my son. Any advice?


  135. I’m afraid if you don’t meet the criteria of the school — which sounds like distance from school etc — then you won’t be able to get him in unless you prove to the appeals panel that the trouble suffered by you greatly outweighs the problems they will have in admitting an extra pupil. You could also beef up your claim by talking about how your preferred school uniquely meets your son’s needs, e.g. it’s approach to the curriculum, facilities etc. Good luck.

    francisgilbert

  136. It’s worth bringing this to the Ombudsman’s attention I think; it’s not an appeal as such, he will make a judgement about whether things are fairly set up by the school regarding admissions. But only if you have the energy/inclination. Good luck.

    francisgilbert

  137. You could discuss your financial situation but it won’t be decisive in the appeal; the crucial thing is whether you meet the admissions’ criteria of the school, and/or whether the trouble incurred by the school is greatly outweighed by your suffering in not getting your child a place. So do discuss ‘impact’ but don’t expect it to be decisive. Talk about admissions’ criteria as well.

    francisgilbert

  138. following an appeal my grandaughter has not been given a place at the school where she has attended nursery Problems with her psychological welfare began in March when her baby brother was diagnosed with a life threatening illness. Mum and I were in hospital with him for a week and he has medications and lots of hospital appointments. It was on class size. Her problems have led to her waiting for an appointment with a psychologist. We are in contact via phone with a psychologist at the hospital her brother is attending. The letter of refusal does not list this as something they considered when making their decision.Should we complain to the ombudsman. She has emotional anxiety and developing OCD issues along with bed wetting,nightmares and soiling during the day.

    Jane Anthony

  139. If you can get your daughter a SEN diagnosis from an Educational Psychologist (LA are legally obliged to provide an interview with an Ed Psych if parents/school raise concerns) then this should bolster your appeal. Remember you must meet the admissions’ criteria. Sounds like you should definitely appeal. The appeal panel won’t be obliged to consider parental issues but can, at their discretion, take this into account. Good luck.

    francisgilbert

  140. My daughter is due to start reception in 2016 and I am worried that she won’t be able to get into the same school where my 6 year old on goes. It is a most sought after school in and this year as many as 5 kids in the catchment couldn’t get places. We will normally be applying for Sibling out of catchment, but there are very thin chances as per this year results. We moved slightly out of catchment for a cheaper rental house after my husband got injured at work. He is now a mental patient, getting PIP and walk with the help of walking aid. He is diagnosed with PTSD and Chronic fatigue syndrome. He currently goes to drop kids (pre school and primary in same campus) and really enjoyed this daily activity. We are planning to apply under special needs, please advice how do we prepare our application.


  141. we have already been to appeal and were still refused a place. should we try the ombudsman. Also I have discovered that the school has an admission higher than we were told (due to appeal success) and one infant class has two teaching staff. Also the information we had was 315 children on roll but the local authority website says 312.Our appeal was on infant class size but education officer talked mainly about future class sizes.

    Jane Anthony

  142. Yes, try the Ombudsman I think. It sounds a little odd to me. Why the other people and not you?

    francisgilbert

  143. You need to have a formal assessment of SEN by either the SENCO at your child’s current school and/or an assessment by an Educational Psychologist. The LA are obliged to provide this if you feel and the school feel this is appropriate. You can also go private. This Mum’s Net thread is helpful: http://www.netmums.com/coffeehouse/advice-support-40/special-needs-disabilities-support-502/681700-private-educational-psychologist-assessment-all.html

    francisgilbert

  144. She already has a psychologist who has recommended that she should remain at the school.I rang the clerk of the meeting and asked why psychological issues were not on the list of considerations by the panel and she just kept repeating that everything had been taken into consideration but she couldn’t put everything on a letter, even though this had been our main reason for appeal, along with possible medical problems that have yet to be determined via genetic testing.Have been in touch with ombudsman and also going to see our local MP. This whole thing is so frustrating as we are now left with the choice of 1 school only.

    Jane Anthony

  145. sorry me again. Can I ask for a copy of the minutes from our appeal hearing

    Jane Anthony

  146. Yes I believe you can.

    francisgilbert

  147. It’s good you’ve got that support from the psychologist. If the school has SEN on its admissions’ criteria (which some schools have now) then the SEN issues need to talked about in the letter. Sounds a bit remiss to me.

    francisgilbert

  148. Hi, could you advise me whether all school applications have the right to an appeal?
    My son failed to get a place at our small catchment school due to unforseen oversubscription. Before we found out about the oversubscription it had been pre arranged with the school that once in the school he would be educated alongside Year 1 pupils due to ability. This was the only school with the ability to do this.
    Our appeal failed but we were told there was a vacancy in Year 1.
    The Head Teacher agreed to forward year our son and spoke to the council admissions head officer who confirmed there was a vacancy and NO waiting list. We signed all the paperwork to forward year into Year 1 and my son took part in three integration sessions at the school. On the third session the school informed us that the LEA had just told them that the vacancy had been given to a child who was not our son. There has been a lot of confusion since and the Cheif Executive of the County Council is refusing us an appeal on the grounds that they acted appropriately and we had accepted the previous outcome of the appeal.
    We have written evidence to prove there was false information given to us and the Head Teacher at the initial stages of our Application to forward year to Yr1. The appeal was about our Reception year application.
    Can the Council really refuse us an appeal? They are only doing so because they know we’ll win. We have the backing of the Head Teacher, the MP and the County Councillor who have all been witness to the error.
    What should we do?


  149. I’m sorry to hear this. The council probably can refuse an appeal if it is about the “false information” issue, but they can’t if you are appealing because you believe your son met their criteria for admission. That’s what you must focus upon: appealing to show that your son met the school’s admissions criteria and that the suffering incurred on him and his educational needs is greater than the trouble incurred on the school if they admit him, i.e. they will say they don’t have space.

    francisgilbert

  150. We applied for a place at a new (free) school last year (Reception – normal admission round) at a school that has a ‘random allocation’ process for 60% of their intake. I believe we were discriminated against and omitted from the process because I had to put information on the application regarding my preference and I included the fact that I am a student (trying to finish degree and get back to work; only out of work as lost job while pregnant; now a single parent) with mobility issues and this was my only option for getting my child to/from school and completing my own education (also informed them of my child’s advanced reading level etc and stated the obvious about this being the best school to keep him on track – schools in this town are awful). A lot has been made about how I would get him to school (and whether I should be trying as they consider me ‘unable’) – this is why I conclude discrimination (along with the fact that, as I am a student, my child would be a ‘pupil premium’ receiver and this school has a way below average percentage of such students.
    The official reason for non-admittance was class size.
    The appeal was a joke, the panel were clearly not impartial and the verdict was a foregone conclusion. They had my child as 2 children instead of 1; paperwork was missing; they had refused to provide requested information; they used incorrect EYFS measurements for teaching space, instead of OFSTED; they didn’t care that the ‘allocated’ school was impossible to get to, had admitted they could not support him at his level and had already been turned down (this was just one of the many ‘MUST’s in the Appeals Code that was ignored).
    We complained to the EFA (as it’s a free school) but the school messed them around and appears to have provided ‘evidence’ that they could not possibly have (such as we were given the info requested). It just looks like they lost interest and sided with the school’s admission authority, even though they did admit maladministration.
    Despite the EFA website providing incorrect info (directing you straight to the Ombudsman), I have finally made a complaint to the Schools Adjudicator (after being made to wait a ridiculous amount of time for a FOI request to be fulfilled so I had the info I needed) and am awaiting a response.
    In the meantime, the LEA have been obstructive, refused to offer my child a place at another school (although they did falsely claim places were available that were a considerable distance from our home and impossible for me to get to – they also said we could not get help with travel – which I would not have needed if given our preference). I have been forced to ‘home educate’, against my wishes and it has resulted in very serious health issues for me.
    We are now at the beginning of a new school year and I made an ‘in-year’ application while we wait to hear from the adjudicator. However, I have been informed that they are still ‘full’.
    When we applied for the September 2014 Reception year group they had 28 children per class, now they apparently have 29 per class – having overlooked my child again, despite being on their waiting list – (their PAN is 28, but they have larger than average classroom sizes and more staff per class/year group).
    It looks like we will have to appeal again but how do I ensure that the Appeals Code is upheld verses this school’s ‘preference’, which seems indecent under the circumstances.


  151. Hello Francis, I am completing a letter to go with the application/admittions form for secondary school entry September 2015 and I’m a bit stuck. We are theoritically in the so called catchment area, depending on how many children there are in any given year. My daughter suffers from a Chronic Illnes which effects her mobility. Some days she is absolutely fine but other days she can’t walk more than 10 mins. What do I need to highlight in my supporting statement? Are there any key words I can use? My daughters consultant, phycologist and GP have agreed to write a short letter to expain the importance of been near school (eventhough the consultants letter or shoud i say paragraph is very brief. She has taken about 5 days off school during the year due to hospital appointments, will this go against her? I have written a draft letter but just doesn’t seem professional enough.
    Many thanks in advance.


  152. Sorry Francis i meant September 2016


  153. Hi,could I know who can represent me at the hearing. I would like somebody from a specialist Association or Old Teachers.Thanks for your help.


  154. Hi I’m writing to ask your advice. My grandson has been living with me since June of this year, his mum suffered a breakdown and couldn’t cope with the child after the breakdown of her relationship…. To be honest she has been battling with long term depression since being sexually assaulted in 2010.

    Since June she has been written of work by her doctor as unfit and the child’s father is not in the picture to assist in anyway so I’ve been raising my grandchild.

    This is not a legal agreement between us however I can get her unfit note from the doctor and a copy of her esa claim and her discharge paper from the mental health unit where she self admitted herself despite being released after one day. She is on anti depressants also.

    My grandsons school is aware of the issues… I’m uncertain if her doc will write a letter to say the child is out of the home as the agreement has been made between us. However he said he will write a letter to say he’s aware of the history and that my daughter has been written of work for the past 5 months, with depression anxiety and panic attacks.


  155. Continued…

    I wanted to ask if this was grounds for social reasons to apply to a particular school in my area up the road from me as he resides with me and will do for the foreseeable future.


  156. If your child is judged to have a Special Educational Need, this should give her preferential treatment if SEN is on the admissions’ criteria, which it usually is. Do check the criteria.

    francisgilbert

  157. The LEA are obliged to provide your child with a school place in the nearest school with places that are not filled. Sounds very difficult all round, but it sounds like you are very “clued up” as well, so I would suggest keep persisting, but you will have to be patient.

    francisgilbert

  158. This sounds like a very difficult situation. You should speak to the relevant person at your grandson’s school as often as you can to keep them in the loop.

    francisgilbert

  159. Ah, I see why you are writing to me now! I think you will have to be “upfront” about this with the school and write down what you have told me on the admissions’ form. The school will have to make a judgement about this based on the facts they have. But it seems to make sense for you to apply for a place nearest to you because this is in the child’s best interests. You must keep the focus upon the child’s best interests. I would seek advice from your LA too.

    francisgilbert

  160. I think appealing again is worth a shot. You must keep the focus upon the fact that you meet the Admissions’ Criteria, and that the suffering incurred upon your child greatly outweighs the trouble for the school in admitting your child; keep the focus positive; point out the unique policies, facilities, teaching approaches which only your preferred school can offer; it’s worth investigating what they uniquely do which would, in your view, uniquely meet the needs of your child. Good luck.

    francisgilbert

  161. Hi
    we moved to a new area with a school three doors away. I have two children one in year five who was offered a place which puts them over numbers but was acceptable. however my problem is my second child is in reception and is under special needs but am told this is not big enough to prioritise him and unless we win an appeal he could wait another eighteen months? The school is under the umbrella from Government for not exceeding numbers in lower years. My mother usually takes them to school which was one reason for moving so close, however the only places offered is one too significant a climb for a five year old in all weathers due to severity of climb and the other was not in his interests educationally and I was concerned it would put him back educationally given his issues with learning. We foster and have to travel to other schools hence why my mother takes the children to school, she has an issue with her knee at present so distance when walking is an issue and my son is really wanting to be with his sibling at school, do I have any chance with this appeal if so what should I say in my appeal?
    Many Thanks
    Sarah

    sarah davies

  162. Does the school have a SEN clause in its admissions’ criteria? Most schools do, or maybe the borough does. You should have a strong case here; you need to show that the school UNIQUELY can meet the UNIQUE needs for your child; look carefully at its policies, facilities for SEN etc, and then get a case together showing how the school UNIQUELY meets your child’s needs, and how you meet the admissions’ criteria of the school. The school has to admit your child in law if the suffering incurred by your child NOT going to the school OUTWEIGHS the trouble incurred on the school if it admits your child. I hope that’s clear. Anything to do with YOUR needs etc will NOT count; focus upon your child. Good luck.

    francisgilbert

  163. Hi Our Grandson has just been turned down for a private school. He has a EHC Plan. They feel he wouldn’t be able to access the curriculum at the school.
    Can we appeal?


  164. You can’t appeal a decision made by a private school unless they have a special procedure for that. They can do what they want basically, and are not bound by government legislation over this issue.

    francisgilbert

  165. Hallo there, we will be going to appeal for our son who has Aspergers, but no statement (his issues are mainly social skills, anxiety, dyspraxia, but not academic) at a secondary school that has a specialist centre for ASD children. We are fairly happy that we can present a decent case on SEN grounds, but don’t know where to begin on arguing that the school can accept another child without it affecting others’ education. How can we possibly provide evidence for such? I really appreciate your thoughts on this. With kindest regards,


  166. Hi may daughter has been suffering from epilepsi since 4 but over the years we have managed to control her epilepsi until last year for a few weeks she started forgetting things, things like where she was going, who she is and where she was. Unfortunately when I applied I didn’t include the supporting medical documents.

    I want to appeal to the school that she didn’t get a place, on the basis that the school she got offered in is too far and due to her condition we are worried that her Epilepsi may affect her travel to school. Her EEG is still active so she can still have these symptoms. If she goes to a school close by we can take her there and bring her back. She has been taken off the SEN register but she still has no friends, lacks in social skills and has been bullied in school for being different. I’m worried one day she will forget where she is and wont be able to come back home, or she’ll forget which bus to catch or she’ll be bullied in the bus, she panics in congested places, doesn’t like going up and down unknown stairs and escalators. Being close will mean she wont have that problem because we can pick her and drop her off.

    What chances do we have?


  167. I would have thought you have a strong case: schools are supposed to give priority to children with Special Needs. It’s worth considering her for a statement if you have not done so. If you meet the admissions’ criteria, I would definitely appeal.

    francisgilbert

  168. The school could employ more teachers etc if you can prove that the trouble suffered by your child by not getting a place outweighs the trouble incurred upon the school in not admitting your son. You’ll need to show how the school can uniquely address the needs of your child; look at their SEN policies etc to do this.

    francisgilbert

  169. Hi Francis, my son has just bn refused his reception place. He is in 17 place. However they were supposed to measure the quickest safest route to school and they didn’t know we use a different exit from our flats which when I measured it brings us 20metres into the catchment ARea of this year. If I can prove this is the correct distance is this worth appealing? The software they use to measure may differ to the apps downloadable as I measured the route they measured and it reads 680metres whilst they state it’s 756metres . My quickest route on all the available measuring apps is 630metres yet 649.49 is the catchment distance.
    It would be great if he could get this school as he’s brother is two and their father lives on a boat the other side of the school. I also have a newborn and it would be less stressful as I’d get help from the boys dad. The school they offered me is slightly closer but the other direction and the ofsted report doesn’t look good. Thanks for any advice. Laura


  170. Hi, my son didn’t get into his first choice reception (he currently attends the nursery). My son doesn’t like change and I always have to spend much more time than an average child explaining things and constantley reassuring him. The school already has 31 children admitted (they accepted twins). I’ve heard the only way I could win the appeal is if I can prove the process wasn’t followed correctly? How can I prove this? Unless I get the names/addresses of where people live which obviously due to data protection I can’t. Is it true that if you appeal you automatically reach the top of the schools waiting list? Thanks in advance.


  171. That’s incorrect information. You will win the appeal if you can prove that you meet the admissions’ criteria of the school, and show that the suffering incurred upon your child by not getting a place outweighs the trouble incurred upon the school for taking him/her. The school will be forced to get another teacher if you win and make an extra class etc. It’s worth appealing.

    francisgilbert

  172. Hi I’m after advice as a parent I suffer from agrophobia n find getting mybchild to school almost impossible but I keep trying and because ive been doing it for a year its getting a little easier I applied for place in reception with medical evidence stating for her well being she needed that school I was rejected I want to fight appeal and have backing from professional is Thi a good case for appeal any advice wud b great


  173. Hi Francis,
    We are trying to mount an appeal on the basis that we are a same sex couple and have consequently tried to find schools that have an open and inclusive ethos. We applied to schools that have a broad teaching style and where our son will be made to feel that his home dynamics although different are normal and when set projects or discussion within the school to do with families that his will be included in the broad spectrum such as references to parents as opposed to mum and dad etc. The school we put down has an inclusive coordinator as deputy head who we understand has the role of ensuring all children from whichever minority background has an inclusive school experience which is of paramount importance to us. This is just the brink, they also have a very stringent bullying policy and with an inclusive coordinator we believe that she will be aware of any particularly vulnerable children or children who have the higher potential of experiencing bullying. The school we have been allocated is a C of E school who have worship and include prayers in the assembly etc, with the Church stance on our home dynamics we are concerned that our son will potentially be exposed to a non-inclusive environment in basic areas and will feel uncomfortable in being honest about his home dynamics. The worship and prayer could expose him to negative reflection on his home life which could be very detrimental to him. Although we don’t want special treatment we honestly believe it is not in his best interest to intend this school and would like to appeal to the school with the inclusive coordinator on the basis of what that school can offer. Do you think we could appeal on the ground of social/emotional needs?
    Many thanks in advance.


  174. hi francis, your article is interesting and I thought you may be able to offer some unbiased advice. we recently moved to a new area and applied for a school which is nearest us but not actually our catchment. we were advised it was full to capacity and had to take our second choice. we were top of the waiting list for the last 4 months. This term we were informed that a place which was offered but deferred until the child was 5 was now free as the child didn’t turn up at the start of term. the place was released. However 2 days before this date somebody else joined above our daughter so it was offered to them (although the local authority had already advised me they were unlikely to take it because they couldn’t accommodate a sibling at the same school). As expected they declined. In the meantime another person joined the list and was above us and the place was offered to her. Even though she joined the list 2 days after the place was released and never accepted by the first people. The place was offered and accepted to her. We have an appeal date but I wondered if you could offer any advice as we feel this was an unfair and perverse decison. Are there ny rules on the local authority making regular contact with parents who defer places to check it is still wanted? Our daughter has eplipesy and a school careplan and we want her to be in school which is close to us as possible (not 2 miles through town) incase she has a seizure so we are able to get to the school. We were told by local admissions that this makes no difference? any advice would be helpful. thanks


  175. Hi,appealing for my daughter who didn’t pass entrance exam for the local GS. I was unable to focus on her and didn’t prepare her for the exams as I was in and out of court for personal reasons 2 yrs prior to her 11+exams. Even though there was a positive outcome for me in Nov 2015 & everything was put to bed, my daughter as well my 3 kids suffered with what I went through and my solicitor has confirmed that what happened to me would have without doubt affected my daughter as well as her siblings as she was starved of the natural attention. let alone preparation for exams Now,my daughter is G&T for English and top groups for Maths at primary school . In yr 5 end of yr report she achieved 2 5b’s and 25c’s she is also Free School Meals where stats show FSM kids are lagging behind. The school we want shows that 100% FSM girls get GCSE grades A*-C where as the one offered is only 46%.Also school is single gender which we want for religious reasons. They also offer Spanish which the offered school does not. Her predicted KS2 are secure+ (top) for English and Maths. All her 3 brothers went.to GS and her 2 best friends who sit with her in the top group have got a place, but then they were tutored and because of what happened to me ( I’ve been attending 2 different groups to help with my depression and excessive eating disorder because of this) my focus was on one thing made worse as I am a single working mum who is now at a better place than I was a few months back 🙁

    Downbutnotoutmum:)

  176. Francis, do u think it’s worth appealing and am I barking up the wrong tree for reasons for wanting the school as I’ve never had to appeal before?

    Downbutnotoutmum:)

  177. Hi Francis, hope your well.

    We just lost our appeal for the school we wanted our daughter to go. My reason for appeal was I had already a son in that school and travelling to two schools was going to be difficult. They said that my ground for appealing against the decision failed to outweigh the prejudice that would be caused through the admission of a further child to the child.

    I wanted to know if there was any other option for us, is there any other step we can take.

    I have 4 children and all 4 will be going to different schools and nursery. I don’t drive.

    Any advise will be helpful
    Thanking you in advance.

    Ghazala Altaf

  178. Hi Francis,

    We just lost our appeal for the school we wanted our daughter to go to. My reason for appeal was I had already a son in that school and travelling to two schools was going to be difficult. They said that my ground for appealing against the decision failed to outweigh the prejudice that would be caused through the admission of a further child to the child.

    I wanted to know if there was any other option for us, is there any other step we can take.

    I have 4 children and all 4 will be going to different schools and nursery. I don’t drive.

    Any advise will be helpful
    Thanks

    Ghazala Altaf

  179. Hi, my daughter didn’t get into her first choice reception (she currently attends the nursery), my mom has medical history and old lady, who usually drops and picks my daughter from school, its just few minutes walking distance, and GP few min away, just in case if any appointments/emergency she can go to GP and drop her at school, its a faith school and we are also faith as we provided our faith letter.
    Am i right to appeal


  180. Hi,
    My daughter is a forces child and has been to 3 schools in 5yrs. She first left nursery in N.Ireland for a forces Primary School in Germany (2009), which taught the English curriculum and was put in the wrong year due to her age (birthday in August). As a result she lost all her confidence and her learning suffered as she had not learnt the basics. We then moved 2yrs later to a school in England (2011) where again she had a lack of confidence which greatly affected her capacity to learn. She was a very unhappy child who dreaded going to school. A major factor adding to this was that I was away in Afghanistan and she worried quite a lot without me being there to help or reassure her. She did the Yr5 SATs and did not score high enough to be graded. We then moved back to N.Ireland (2014) returning back to the same school that she went to nursery back in 2009. We noticed that within 3-6months she was like a different child, happy, gaining in confidence and above all enjoying school. She had 7months learning the N.Ireland curriculum before having to sit three AQE tests for Post Primary school (criteria for the Grammar school we wanted to send her to). Erin achieved an outstanding mark of 94 (bearing in mind that she never had tutoring like the rest of her friends had as there were non available that we could afford). The school have accepted children who scored 102 and above. They accepted that she qualified for “Special Provisions” as per their criteria and the Board of Governors awarded her an extra 4pts taking her score to 98. Still short of the Grade and thus not being accepted a place. ALL of her friends attained scores above the 102 mark and have been accepted. She is devastated and is showing signs already that she is losing her confidence and desire to go to school. Her end of year grades put her level or ABOVE most of her friends and proves that she has the ability but has not yet reached her full potential. I do not believe that the Board of Governors gave enough consideration to the disruption that she has suffered or her potential when awarding only 4 extra points. I say this when for special circumstances (children with doctors notes for being ill for one/two of the tests were awarded 1/3pts) We are appealing but after ANY advice that you could give us.

    Peter Bell

  181. Yes, definitely appeal using the Special Circumstances issue. You could possibly get her judged as EBD (Emotional Behavioural Difficulties) and put on the SEN register, this often helps win appeals as most schools have SEN as admissions criteria. She may not be badly behaved, but her emotional difficulties are meaning she is finding the work more difficult than most. Good luck!

    francisgilbert

  182. Yes definitely appeal if you meet the faith criteria. A bit mysterious as to why you were rejected.

    francisgilbert

  183. You can go to the Ombudsman and complain: http://www.lgo.org.uk/forms/ShowForm.asp?fm_fid=62

    This DfE page is worth looking at: https://www.gov.uk/schools-admissions/appealing-a-schools-decision

    francisgilbert

  184. Check this website out and think about it: https://www.gov.uk/schools-admissions/appealing-a-schools-decision

    francisgilbert

  185. Yes, appeal on the grounds outlined above that the test score did not reflect her true ability. Good luck!

    francisgilbert

  186. Your daughter’s health should be factored in. Definitely appeal. An independent appeal panel may well feel differently: https://www.gov.uk/schools-admissions/appealing-a-schools-decision

    francisgilbert

  187. Yes, if you can show that the school uniquely addresses your child’s unique needs and no other school can, based on its policies, then you should appeal.
    https://www.gov.uk/schools-admissions/appealing-a-schools-decision

    francisgilbert

  188. The school will not take your circumstances into consideration, only your child’s. You need show that you meet the schools’ admissions’ code.

    francisgilbert

  189. You can tell the school about this, but not in an appeal. If you appeal you must show that you meet the school’s admissions’ criteria.

    francisgilbert

  190. Hi not sure which answer was for me


  191. My youngest son has been refused a reception place at my eldest son’s school despite him being a sibling, as siblings out of area are lower priority than local children. This is understandable however the reason we are applying to this school ‘out of area’ is because the local authority allocated my eldest son a school place in this town four years ago. The infant school he attended is a feeder to his current school, and hence we are now caught up in the school system out of our area. The school place we have been allocated is 3 miles in the opposite direction to our house and 5 miles away from my eldest son’s school. As we are in a busy part of outer London this journey is impossible in the morning as it requires us to cross 4 town centres and two river Thames bridges. I am also a teacher and work even further away from our allocated school. I cannot drop both children on time and will not be able to get to work either. My sons have built their lives up in the new town where my youngest is at pre school. He has had hearing problems and has taken a long time to settle and make friends. He will not know anyone at the new school, nor do I have a support network in that area or any childcare. The new school has a breakfast club but that only opens at 7:45 so this isn’t an option. I know I must appeal based on the uniqueness of the chosen school but surely this is significant? Also that we are in this situation because of the system not our own choosing? Any advice would be great.



  192. Definitely appeal, and explain this to the panel. Sounds like you’ve got a strong case. Show where you can that you have addressed the schools’ admissions code/criteria. Good luck.

    francisgilbert

  193. My son lived in Germany (forces family) from the age of 4years to the age of 9 years, he attended an English school, he had friends and did really well, they studied German from nursery age. My son loves German language, and was devastated when we moved back and the primary schools that he could attend only did French. My son is very shy and has taken 18 months to make a friend. We are now trying to find a school that teaches German as my son has continued to learn from home but would like to do GCSE and A Level German. Our problem is that our catchment school only do French and Spanish. The school that does German is less than 2 miles away and we are literally 2 meters outside the catchment area. This is also the school that my Sons friend will attend. I think being separated from his friend and being unable to study the language that he has had to study up until last year is going to really knock his confidence. He doesn’t go out and it takes him ages to make a friend. His dad is still in Germany but we moved back so that the children’s education would not be interrupted as they got older. I know we won’t get a place at our chosen school but do we have any hope of we appeal? Any advice or opinions welcome please.


  194. Hi I wonder if you can assist

    Can I ask about social and medical reasons, at an appeal do they actually talk about specific schools in the area and compare them against the school you have applied for?

    Can they argue schools in other boroughs are suitable?

    If I have placed one school on my list for another borough would they then compare all the schools in that borough even if it is not my borough?

    I am compiling evidence as I go through open evenings and it is obvious to me that other schools will not suit my child for a variety of reasons but I do not want to be to specific about those schools as it feels disrespectful but I will bring that very specific evidence into the appeal. Should I be very specific why certain schools will not cater for my child. ?


  195. The main thing is you have to prove that you meet the admissions’ criteria for your preferred school and how that uniquely meets your child’s needs. Being negative about other schools won’t get you anywhere. You need to look closely at the admissions’ criteria.

    francisgilbert

  196. You could appeal for your preferred school, but unless you meet the admissions’ criteria for that school, it’s unlikely you will get in. It’s always worth an appeal though because independent panels do listen to this kind of thing.

    francisgilbert

  197. Thank you for your quick response. I completely agree re the comment being negative about other schools, I just find the wording confusing sometimes as they want to know why that school and that school alone can cater for your child. Reading the appeals that went to ombudsman it has given me a greater insight into the process that goes on after and has provided a few tips that will hopefully mean it will not go that far.
    I feel like I am buying a house I have seen once, how the poor 10 year olds feel I have no idea. I do not remember it being this stressful for us as children.

    A few tips for parents before appeal if you don’t mind be writing are,

    the more research you do on the schools, looking at websites and reviews, etc etc will hopefully give you more confidence that the school you choose is the right one. I have also seen parents in a zombie like fashion walking round the schools not asking questions of the children that are showing them round and basically just looking at the walls. Ask lots of questions, what do they do for children that struggle, what do they do for children that achieve highly, what after school clubs are there, when can you use the library before and after school, what happens if you are late for a lesson or don’t have your pens with you, show me your timetable, what GCSE’s can you take here, are you happy, do you feel safe in school, what happens if you need someone to go to, are the forms vertical, at single sex schools ask how the children feel about it (I got some great responses from that question) . Ask the children where they are from, how they get to school. I got some great information from the students.

    Some schools give you their best students and some allow children with social issues that do have problems in school show you round what does that say about the school. Go the year before without your children and look round this will give you a great idea of what to look for and give you more confidence in the following year. Go to the meetings that the admissions team hold for the year 5’s in year 4 see what they say but be mindful the admissions for each school could change.

    Make notes at all schools for yourself and for any appeals. I realised that one a bit late.

    Well thanks again


  198. Dear Jo, Thanks very much for these points, they are very helpful. Best Francis

    francisgilbert

  199. Hi, my child has passed the grammar school entrance exam and has been told he would be accepted. However, we are quite a distance away and don’t think that it’s feasible for him to travel there. Would the fact that he has been offered a place there help if we put this fact on the application form for another school? Would it have any influence on them accepting him? Thanks


  200. Hi Francis

    I am moving 100 miles away to live closer to my parents. I have two children, one in nursery and another in year 2 and I feel the change will be good for us all as we feel very isolated. After ringing the admissions team and doing some research it seems every school in the preferred area is over subscribed. I am really worried as the one school where my nieces and nephews attend was ideally my first choice school but I’ve currently no chance. I hope to find work and was relying on my sisters to help with school run as their children attend sais school.

    My older son is painfully shy, was selectively mute in nursery and tends to develop tics at the start of every academic year since. They are anxiety related and he struggles greatly with change. However he is not SEN so have no written evidence to show in case of an appeal. Could I still use this?


  201. Hi I am hoping you can advise.

    My youngest son (H) has and EHCP and he has downs syndrome. We applied to the school we felt could best meet his needs although it is 5 mile from our home, however he has been offered a place and he will start in sept 2017. This is the tricky bit … We hope that our eldest son (J) can also attend the school however we know that that particular year group are at their maximum currently at 30. (The school has an official LCC PAN of 25 for each year group, although can increase to 30 for each year group if appropriate. ) Having said this his current school have an PAN of 30 and there are 31 in class. I believe I can only appeal on grounds of sibling link to try to get him accepted and it is so very important to us that the boys go to the same school for emotional and practical reasons. When I addressed this issue with the Head teacher she seemed quite confident that on the grounds of sibling link we could perhaps win an appeal. Having researched more about this issue it seems that her opinion may be invalid and I now fear that our case may look weak at appeal considering we chose a school which we knew was already full for my eldest year group. I hope that his makes sense!? What would you advise?


  202. Hi,

    We have appealed after having found out that the school my son was allocated (our 2nd choice) allows kids to bring nuts to school. My son has a severe nut allergy and although of secondary school age and able to manage a lot better in terms of making sure he doesn’t eat any food containing nuts, this still worries us. The school, which was our first choice has a strong no nuts at school policy. I have a letter from GP confirming he needs nut free environment. Has anybody won appeal on this kind of medical evidence alone?

    K Scott

  203. I don’t know about this. I think you’d need to show more general points like the way in which the preferred school uniquely meets your child’s educational needs as well, e.g. its SEND/G and T provision etc. But it’s worth a shot…

    francisgilbert

  204. Yes, the sibling link is a good one. You need to show vitally how your preferred school uniquely meets your child’s needs and that the trouble incurred upon the school by getting an additional teacher/resources etc to admit your child is greatly outweighed by the suffering incurred upon your child (not you) if he does not get a place.

    francisgilbert

  205. Get your child assessed ASAP! Ask the SENCO at your child’s school to do this; you have a legal right to this assessment if you are worried with good cause — which I think you are. Then you need to show how your preferred school uniquely meets your child’s needs over and above the other schools.

    francisgilbert

  206. Short answer, no. You need to meet the individual admissions’ criteria for each school. The only exception is that the other school has the same 11+ requirement in which case you could show that they have already passed etc.

    francisgilbert

  207. Hi Francis Can you help. My wife and I recently separated. We own two houses so I moved into the second house. with six month all my three children moved in with me. My daughters go to a local private school within walking distance from where we live.
    My youngest son travels quite away to school and is doing 11 hours days with travelling.
    I applied to a very good local school within walking distance from where live and was invited to apply. I was then asked to show where the child benefit was paid as they saw that we were living apart. I replied that my wife received the payment. With this they retracted the offer on the grounds that the benefit has to be paid to me at the address where we live at the time of application. Is this far? We invited them round to see for themselves. But they just go on the waiting list or appeal.
    What advise can you give?

    Mark Broadhurst

  208. Hi- I am appealing for my son do you think we stand a shot? We live out of catchment but he currently attends a feeder school which is part of the admissions criteria(4th in priority). The feeder school is right next door to the middle school and his two younger brothers go there. But that isn’t my main concern for wanting him to go there. He has ADHD, autistic traits, dyslexia and suffers anxiety. The two schools have a very good working relationship and the pastoral care would help him transition much easier as it will be difficult for him and he struggles with changes. All of his friends are going there and he is at risk of bullying because of his unusual traits but they all accept him and stand up for him. He was also given a school that the only way for him to attend would be by bus and he is not capable of handling on his own. He doesn’t pay attention to his environment, gets lost easily and very vulnerable. He would also have to take medication almost an hour earlier which would mean it would run out before he finished school and then have a 40 minute bus ride home unmediated and at risk of behavioural issues and his impulsivity being more pronounced (risk of running into the road for example). Is my case strong enough? He is academically doing alright and therefore the school doesn’t think he needs an EHCP but his executive functioning is where he really struggles. Thanks

    Amy Smith

  209. Hi my daughter currently attends a co-ed primary school and the school in my catchment that I really want her to go to for secondary is an all girls school. It was over subscribed this year and based on location we would not have got in. If I need to appeal, what grounds could I appeal on? This year the school only went as far as 2.1 miles and we are 3.09. I don’t feel I have a strong enough argument just to say that I want her to go to an all girls school. Thank you and I look forward to hearing from you.

    Natalie Degiorgio Maclaren

  210. It’s worth appealing on the grounds you set out, but you need to show that your preferred school uniquely meets your child’s needs in terms of its policies/resources etc as well.

    francisgilbert

  211. You would need to show that you meet the admissions’ criteria for the girls’ school, if that’s distance then it’s unlikely you will succeed…

    francisgilbert

  212. It’s worth appealing and honestly saying where your child is living. Good luck.

    francisgilbert

  213. Hi, my son received an offer of a school which was quite far away, in and bad area, with an awful ofsted report. Based on this I declined the offer of the school. My son now has no school to attend next week, so I am desperatley looking at options. We live 5 minutes walking distance of a catholic school, so I had him baptised in July. He is currently third on the waiting list, but having spoken with the school, they do not feel there will be any movement on this when the children start school. The catchment area appears to be from the church and not the School, which is why we are not first on the waiting list. Do I have a shot of an appeal based on religion grounds? Would it also help that I am a single mom?


  214. Hi Francis
    This is a long shot but my daughter was allocated her third preference school and is still on the waiting list for her first choice.
    She is currently 19 on the list and realistically probably will not get a place before it is disbanded at Christmas.
    She was an enthusiastic learner at her primary school, independent and fell short of ‘above expected’ in the SATS. Her current placement is causing her extreme anxiety: she was the only pupil to attend from her primary school, there are no local students living where we live so she has to encountered rival schools by her self, she is isolated, becoming more withdrawn, depressed, feigning illness to get out of school and to make matters worse all of her friends have now transferred to her first choice (the last being 100 yards from our home) and she is in danger of becoming a school refuser. Her work is poor, she is in fear from the low level disruption and unable to learn. I have spoken to the Head of year 7 Pastoral who has teamed her with a buddy but I am afraid for her seeking further into depression. Behaviour is challenging at home and we have to wait 3 weeks for a GP appointment. She has problems with her memory and single word spelling (I have some previous SEN assessments from primary school) – in short she is not thriving at all. How to I make a case for in year admission against the usual LA PAN admission criteria. We live 1.6miles from the school but it is in another borough. Please help.
    Jackie Tunney

    Jackie Tunney

  215. My son has not been offered any of his secondary school choices, instead he has been allocated a school that he would need to catch 2 buses there and 2 buses back both resulting in him entering the main town centre on his own and encountering a main busy road. My son does not go anywhere on his own, is not confident and would not go on a bus by himself therefore if he had to go to this school I would have to take him by bus myself as I don’t drive which could result in being late for work and eventually dismissal. The letter I have received from the council just states that they were all oversubscribed/not enough places available.
    Do I have a case of appeal based on the above?

    J Brooker

  216. Hi Francis
    We are appealing the decision not to offer a year 7 place for September 2018 to our son.

    Mill Hill County High School is the closest secondary school to our home, at under a mile. This is important as my husband and I start work very early in the morning (I am a teaching assistant at a nearby local primary school) and we also have a younger child who attends primary school. A major concern us ensuring that our son has a safe and straightforward journey both to and from school.
    Our home has always been within the school catchment area, but this year we have been unfairly disadvantage by the decision to alter the boundary.
    We are offered a school which it is 3.5 miles away, and our son must to take 2 buses and 10 minutes walking to reach to school every day.
    Do you think we should appeal to their decision?
    Thanks for support

    Ozgur Ozben

  217. You won’t win your appeal unless you show you meet the school’s admissions criteria, so appealing solely on these grounds might not help…

    francisgilbert

  218. I’m sorry to hear this. I think the main thing you could do is to talk to the headteacher of the school now, as clearly the HoY has not made a huge impact. You could also look at other schools, but it’s difficult moving schools at this stage, so I would try and see if you can improve things at the current school by speaking to the headteacher.

    francisgilbert

  219. You will need to look very carefully at your preferred school’s admissions’ criteria and see if you meet any of them. In the meantime, you will need to find a school ASAP for him to attend.

    francisgilbert

  220. Hi,
    My DD passed 11plus and assessed suitable for grammar school in Kent ,even though we live in Greenwich council. 1st of march the result indicates ” declined :Your child was offered a higher preference so the place was not need” although we are waiting patiently as we don’t know what is happening.My question is should we appeal ,though they have sent a waiting list form which we did put DD on and submitted. Shall we appeal the decision ?Your response highly appreciated urgently please. Thanking you all in anticipation for prompt response.


  221. It sounds like it might be worth appealing. You’ll need to show how the grammar school uniquely meets your child’s needs during the appeal I imagine.

    francisgilbert

  222. Is there any way you can win an appeal based on SEN even when you fall under the last possible category in the criteria? The consequences of my daughter not getting our choice of school are going to be horrific but I don’t know how to evidence this.


  223. Hi, I just need some advice, my daughter is in y2, we have since moved and now applied for my son, we are only 2.26 miles from the school as the crow flies but as we have broken the 2 mile sibling rule my son didn’t get in, we live in a rural location so all that separates me is a golf course, I have been told by the school all the places have been filled and I won’t know till June where I am on the list. I am at the moment appealing, I have contacted a lot of people to help, my parents don’t live near me and his preschool friends are all going to the new school, I rely heavily on the mums for childcare, the school they have given me would take me 30 minuets ro so 2 school runs and would mean my daughter would be 15mina late every morning and have to wait 15mina for me every night, please I need help as Its making me very ill with worry and I’m starting to get panic attacks just thinking about it

    Laura Price

  224. Hi Francis

    My son is due to start Yr 7 in September, our closest school is a grammar and he has passed the entry test showing he’s suitable and his brother attends there in the year above, we didn’t apply for a place until the school was already full and there have also been 4 places granted on appeal so the school is now oversubscribed. My son is the top of the reserve list (with him having the sibling link) and we have lodged an appeal but they say they will not hear this until September when the school year has already started and that currently 4 people would have to leave before he is offered a place. Any advice on how we can argue that he should be allowed entry straight away and whether we would win an appeal based on him being bullied by older children at the school he has been offered a place for and with us meeting every admission criteria there is for entry?


  225. My granddaughter was refused a place in all three choices of primary schools she is a F2 nursery , the school she has been allocated, needs improvement in all areas , they have taken their FB page down due to all the complaints from parents , the staff are all leaving, myself and my husband take her to and from school 4 times a week we have a blue disabled badge and the nursery school that she was in F1 allowed us to park in the staff car park for ease of escorting her to her class, as my daughter works nights my granddaughter sleeps over and as we live about 5 miles away from the primary school she is placed in the one where we were allowed to park is nearer for us to take her, the primary school she is placed in is failing in all subjects which I think is unfair to place children in as education should be good for all children. Any advice how to apply again for all the 3 primary schools which would be my daughters choice.


  226. Hello Francis, can you please advise? I applied for a secondary school place for my son, it isn’t our catchment but it’s our nearest (in a straight line distance) he has connections with the school with him taking part in sports at this school we applied for and also his current primary school is a feeder school. Unfortunately he was decline this school and instead were offered a school the furthest away (3 miles away) which would take my son 56 mins to walk there and again back. I will worry about him walking that distance alone especially in dark winter months and I suffer badly with anxiety and depression. He is not a confident child and is extremely scared. He will become isolated from all his friends. Also the school they’ve offered is a religious school to which we are not in anyway. What are my chances of appeal?

    Samantha M

  227. Hi Francis, your advice will be gratefully received here. My son was refused a place out our only secondary school choice. This school is our nearest (straight line distance) but not our catchment. My son also plays sport at the school we wanted as well as his current primary school being a feeder school. Instead he was offered the school furthest away, 3 miles infact. It would take him an hour to walk there and an hour back. I suffer with anxiety and depression and I will be constantly worried about him waking there alone, as I work out of town, Id like him to be able to get home on his own quickly and safely. Also the school he’s been given is a religious school to which we are not in any way. My son will be become extremely isolated and his social life affected hugely with not knowing anyone at the school far away. Also the school we’ve been offered has poor Ofsted which I’m worried will affect my sons education massively. Am I likely to pass this appeal or not so much?

    Samantha M

  228. Hi
    Do I have to appeal to have a place on a waiting list to secondary School?

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